OTG's SoloQ Tier List (Patch 4.20)

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Nighthawk]guessing this tier list isn't with the new jungle changes[/quote] Sarcasm or not sarcasm? Cause the Warwick top of tier 1 should explain everything about this season.[/quote] no, it does not. the whole jungle section of your tier list is a mess. tier 1 basically consists of all junglers who build flare/devourer because that item is broken as shit(warwick, yi, even udyr for example) and jarvan is probably somewhere down in the bottom together with elise[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=OTGBionicArm] Tier 2: [icon=Caitlyn size=25][icon=Vayne size=25][icon=Ezreal size=25] Tier 1: [icon=morgana size=25] Tier 2: [icon=karma size=25][icon=Vel'Koz size=25][icon=Zyra size=25][icon=Zilean size=25] Tier 1: [icon=Yasuo size=25] [/quote] ??????????????????????????????????????????????[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I do agree that [[Morgana]] doesn't really belong in tier one anymore. [[Karma]], [[Zyra]], and [[Vel'koz]] are solidly tier two supports though, given that tier two is "Safe picks, but outshined by tier 1 picks". Those three actually counter some of the tier one picks fairly well themselves, besides. [[Zilean]] I have no opinion on, I don't play him and have rarely seen him. I really have no comment on the other champions questioned as I don't play them particularly.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]This may be shocking, but some of us actually like utility junglers.[/quote] Hence the "to me" But it's not even that. I just cannot see the joy of playing champions like [[warwick]], where you're basically shedding tears of joy as you approach the opportunity to press R and scratch face. I think it's depressing. Same with Rammus. It's like OMG LET ME MAKE THIS PLAY YOU KNOW THE PART WHERE I TAUNT AND HOPE TEM KILLS YOU. Morgana/Karma/Leona/other utility champs at least feel satisfying because it's either a skill shot or requires a lot more decision making. Even [[vi]] feels more complete than WW, where you basically only press two buttons the entire game and somehow think it's satisfactory. (I am exaggerating of course, but I hope the point gets across without the army of the wicklovers going all infinite duress on my face).[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I think [[Warwick]] is boring as fuck, that's why I don't play him. [size=1][[Udyr]] is my homeboy though[/size][/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][[Udyr]] isn't really that much of an utility champion, he's more of an ultra-jungle focused champion with duelist traits/offtank traits. I find udyr boring in the sense that I dislike the whole "gets heavily" kited thing (him, garen, that sort of champ, but feel free to call me a hypocrite because I like Shyvana), however he actually actively fucks the enemy jungler and takes objectives while having a great midgame domination potential. Warwick scratches face.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Remember that I'm still updating this list, so anything out of place shouldn't be surprising.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=FalseoGod][[Udyr]] isn't really that much of an utility champion, he's more of an ultra-jungle focused champion with duelist traits/offtank traits. I find udyr boring in the sense that I dislike the whole "gets heavily" kited thing (him, garen, that sort of champ, but feel free to call me a hypocrite because I like Shyvana), however he actually actively fucks the enemy jungler and takes objectives while having a great midgame domination potential. Warwick scratches face.[/quote]He feels more utility to me than a lot of what was popular before the jungle changes is all. He suits my playstyle (as a jungler) well, so I'm really happy to see him being a bit more decent.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Karma]], [[Zyra]], and [[Vel'koz]][/quote] Karma is way too situational to be Tier 2, her damage is ok, but not as high as Zyra or VK. Her CC is undeniably bad, and she's too squishy. She has the shield and speed boost going for her but that's about it. The problem I have with Zyra and VK is that they're in the same tier. I don't entirely disagree with VK being a Tier 2, but whatever he is, Zyra should be a tier lower. The only thing that would warrant picking Zyra over VK would be if you already had a lot of CC on your team so you could actually land your E into ult knockup. But even then you'd have to consider if you'd rather have that over VK's insane damage on his ult for a support.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Your support list contains [[Brand]], but not [[Nunu]]. I am disappoint. [size=1]It's kinda funny because your team takes Dragon/Baron super fast...however, this doesn't make it any less meh feeling.[/size][/quote]