So, in general are you guys saying that it would be better to take Butcher for the early game help with CS rather than to use Havoc for late game damage? I can honestly see the point and for champs that you struggle getting CS(or lane matchups) it would definitely be a ridiculous advantage. I have Havoc on all my carry masteries(I just checked lolking after reading this thread) and think I may try to change them to at least have a mastery page with Butcher instead to help with early game CS. I know it would really help with
Rumble top because I struggle to get CS early with him.

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