Don't be this guy

[quote=Bioalchemist]it is tosh people. it is tosh.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=SOAC Bas] Says the fiddlesticks jungle? 1). Ryze counters Renekton. It's the reason he is picked and banned now in the LCS. Always has and always will. Ryze is just a positioning champ if your positioning sucks you will suck. 2). People who still play fiddlesticks jungle shouldn't talk about others sticking to the meta. Especially if that team has no CC or way to allow you to use your ult at its most effective time. Granted you still played really well, just pointing out that you argument is flawed in that you did exactly what you told him not to do. Yes I understand you have a lot of fiddle games, but the rest of your arguement was completely contrary to your own pick. 3). The opposing team didn't invade....who doesn't invade when it's fiddlesticks jungle and you have Thresh, Renekton, and Pantheon wtf!!! and played like crap and you won so your argument and reason for posting this are just to stroke your own ego and whine? [/quote] Pretext: U went full retard lolz. 1: No. 2: it's almost like you didn't read the OP and went full retard lolz. 3: They invaded and often. But you see, an experienced fiddle jungle knows to start with wards. WOWO! OUTPLAYED LOOOOLLLZZZZZZZZ Conclusion: Yoj went teh full retardz lolz pwnt ecksdeeeee XFD![/quote]

[quote=SOAC Bas][quote=Toshabi] Pretext: U went full retard lolz. 1: No. 2: it's almost like you didn't read the OP and went full retard lolz. 3: They invaded and often. But you see, an experienced fiddle jungle knows to start with wards. WOWO! OUTPLAYED LOOOOLLLZZZZZZZZ Conclusion: Yoj went teh full retardz lolz pwnt ecksdeeeee XFD! [/quote] 1). Yes, I am surprised you made it this high without realizing this. I don't know of a single player higher than gold who doesn't know that ryze counters Renekton pretty well. When his q was lower ranged you didn't play it but with good positioning you can limit and hurt renekton early and late game you outscale him. I know it's hard when you think you are always right, but you aren't. 2). Except you made several points while doing exactly what you were whining about, and finally settled on the only relevant argument which was he had never played Soraka top before. Which isn't that hard to do btw. 3). You can't early ward anymore, and with that opposing team and your team there is no reason not to invade lvl 1 since you can't do an early ward. The fact that it's pretty obvious the opposing team did not invade Fiddle level 1 and my guess is they didn't invade until you had blue and were on your way to red which at that point fiddle has either fear or blind. The fact that they went into your jungle later is not relevant since every jungler should be dropping wards in their own jungle and the enemies. 4). The word is you not yoj not u. I understand that your nature is to think you are too cool for school while trolling the mobafire forums, and generally you are witty and right on some of your notes. In this case your only right statement was don't play a champ for the first time in ranked, which should be common sense. The fact that you felt the need to create a 500 word essay describing how someone did it while complaining about breaking meta's and using statements like [quote]Conclusion: Yoj went teh full retardz lolz pwnt ecksdeeeee XFD![/quote] which is neither a conclusion or a well-written comment is beneath you. Wait....sorry....forgot this was Toshabi.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]You can still early ward as fid, since he can start Dring ward or Machete pots wards. It really isnt any more dangerous compared to normal fid earlygame. Renekton is also by no means a bad champ for soloq. I mean, if you sit in your lane and trash the other dude all game since your renekton and expect your team to do the same in other lanes sure, but if you roam with lvl 6 and 11 spikes you can carry pretty easily.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]@topic: I partially agree with Tosh here. I hate people picking FotM stuff just because it's FotM. I hate people doing stuff because they've seen pros do it. However, if you did some reason and deductive reasoning that caused you to figure out the answers to the five W's then by all means go ahead and play it. @Fiddle Jungle: Personally I think it's still fairly playable, he certainly fits the meta, although he might be a tad slow. Invades - be it around 2 minutes or later - are less common these days and Fiddle is still a very tough bastard to duel as most junglers do not feature hard CC. Also, he has, as one of the few, champions still the option to start with a Doran's item, which is also a clear advantage for the sticks. @Ryze vs Renekton: Ryze doesn't counter Renekton. Nothing counters Renekton, which is why he's so damn popular in terms of bans and picks. Ryze is one of the few who doesn't have to lose lane (hard) to Renekton which is why he has seen some play in major tournaments. However, even in those tournament matches, he has not been crushing Renekton at all.[/quote]

[quote=Ninja Trigger]I don't mind seeing unconventional picks once in a while, but people really should do it normal's and not ranked.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Ninja Trigger] I don't mind seeing unconventional picks once in a while, but people really should do it normal's and not ranked. [/quote] I don't care if people do it in ranked at all, as long as they know what they're doing instead of "I've seen a pro do it once.".[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]^ exactly. +1[/quote]

[quote=Ninja Trigger]well if they have done it normals a bunch of times then yeah it's okay, but it should really only be done in normals until refined to a science[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=GrandmasterD] @Ryze vs Renekton: Ryze doesn't counter Renekton. Nothing counters Renekton, which is why he's so damn popular in terms of bans and picks. Ryze is one of the few who doesn't have to lose lane (hard) to Renekton which is why he has seen some play in major tournaments. However, even in those tournament matches, he has not been crushing Renekton at all. [/quote] Not losing lane + outscaling [[Renekton]] is probably as close to a counter as you're going to get :P Not sure whether Toshabi is trying to deny that [[Ryze]] is generally seen as a good pick vs him or whether he just doesn't agree with that choice of words though. Saying [[Renekton]] is a "trash champion for solo queue" is complete bullshit, but to be fair we already knew Toshabi is a little biased when it comes to Renek's viability ;)[/quote]