Nocturne

[quote=VoiD]Items: Thornmail, Randuins Omen, Frozen Heart, Sunfire Cape, Ninja Tabi, Zhonya's Hourglass Abilites: Cleans and Exhaust Build Name: Don't even think about it.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]gonna throw it out there... but his offensive capabilities are offset by his lack of bulk. hes on par with shaco for chrissake. you cant nerf someone that can be one shot by any number of champs.[/quote]

[quote=Lazukin][quote=Restrictnine] gonna throw it out there... but his offensive capabilities are offset by his lack of bulk. hes on par with shaco for chrissake. you cant nerf someone that can be one shot by any number of champs. [/quote] One shotted? I have absolutely no idea what to build on him and endgame end up with 2,500 hp and 350 AD as well as a 57% crit chance. I stopped thinking he was OP once I got shut down a few times by actual good teams though. EDIT: He's too easy to play though. Very little skill can get you very many wins.[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam][quote=Restrictnine] gonna throw it out there... but his offensive capabilities are offset by his lack of bulk. hes on par with shaco for chrissake. you cant nerf someone that can be one shot by any number of champs. [/quote] Not true, you can get Wriggles->Zerks->Sunfire->Veil and still be doing crazy damage. He gets AD steroid AND AS steroid.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Lazukin] EDIT: He's too easy to play though. Very little skill can get you very many wins.[/quote] Being easy to play doesn't warrant nerfs.. Just look at Irelia.[/quote]

[quote=Lazukin][quote=Searz] [quote=Lazukin] EDIT: He's too easy to play though. Very little skill can get you very many wins.[/quote] Being easy to play doesn't warrant nerfs.. Just look at Irelia. [/quote] Read the whole post. I didn't ask for a nerf. I said he's too easy to play, as in pro Nocturne players are probably only like 50% better than 10 game Nocturne players. There's no skill gap.[/quote]

[quote=Lazukin][quote=Searz] [quote=Lazukin] EDIT: He's too easy to play though. Very little skill can get you very many wins.[/quote] Being easy to play doesn't warrant nerfs.. Just look at Irelia. [/quote] Read the whole post. I didn't ask for a nerf. I said he's too easy to play, as in pro Nocturne players are probably only like 50% better than 10 game Nocturne players. There's no skill gap.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Lazukin] Read the whole post. I didn't ask for a nerf. I said he's too easy to play, as in pro Nocturne players are probably only like 50% better than 10 game Nocturne players. There's no skill gap.[/quote] Well, duuuuh. He's new. There are hardly any really good players yet ;P And I did read the entire comment. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at everyone.[/quote]

[quote=Lazukin][quote=Searz] [quote=Lazukin] Read the whole post. I didn't ask for a nerf. I said he's too easy to play, as in pro Nocturne players are probably only like 50% better than 10 game Nocturne players. There's no skill gap.[/quote] Well, duuuuh. He's new. There are hardly any really good players yet ;P And I did read the entire comment. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at everyone. [/quote] Oh, alright haha. I've been herp-derpish all day :p[/quote]

[quote=UglyStrike][quote=Restrictnine] gonna throw it out there... but his offensive capabilities are offset by his lack of bulk. hes on par with shaco for chrissake. you cant nerf someone that can be one shot by any number of champs. [/quote] hehehehe Who are you trying to fool? This is not April 1. At lvl 18 with no masteries, runes or items Noct has an effective hp of 3200. Nunu has the biggest nuke in the game and the best effective level I have ever got him to is about 2700. But wait Nunu has a build up period and Noct has a spell shield that he can trigger. No AP champ can build up their burst to one shot status if they have to change their entire build by adding expensive counter items for just one champ. The arguments being made on how to counter him are more convincing that he needs nerfed than anything anyone else has said. I have countered him late game, with Morde and 2 sets of Thornmail. HOwever keep in mind that most builds with Morde already include 1 set of Thornmail so adding a second is not big departure from norm. I bet you can count on one hand how many champ builds incorporate Thornmail as a regular part of their build. Enough said. I do not believe Noct should be nerfed. I believe he should be withdrawn, redesigned and then introduced again.[/quote]