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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Scott Azrael » April 23, 2013 4:31am | Report
Does she suck with ArPen Marks? I know she scales better with AD, but I only have ArPen Marks right now and her damages just seem to suck when I am playing PvP. I just wanted to see if it was my runes or if I just suck with her and should focus on practicing up some other champs for top( Elise, Renekton, Jax, Rumble, Shen).
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Forgottenduty » April 23, 2013 7:24am | Report
Arp scale better late game, but AD runes on Riven allows her to dominate harder on the lane phase.
I suggest being patient and get the AD runes :) (also they are used on pretty much any ad champ atm).
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Scott Azrael » April 23, 2013 7:38am | Report
I use ArPen on most AD champs and its what I see on most build guides for AD champs in general. I case that AD marks work the best for Riven because she scales on AD, so I was just wondering if the ArPen marks just suck on her. I was doing almost no damage against a Rumble when he didn't have a cloth armor early game, so I was just trying to find out if my problem was just my runes...or if I suck at her. I know in general the difference between AD and ArPen runes, I just need to know for her specifically.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by utopus » April 23, 2013 7:52am | Report
The thing with flat penetration is that armor counters it. For instance, with flat arpen reds and masteries, i think you can get up to like 13 arpen or something like that?

Well what i don't like about armor penetration is that 1 Cloth Armor totally counters your armor penetration. If your opponent pays 300 gold, he is kinda nullifying the effects of your arpen marks. This does not apply to flat AD though.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Satella » April 23, 2013 7:54am | Report
Riven has like 1050% bonus AD scaling on her combo. There is absolutely no reason to use armor penetration runes.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Scott Azrael » April 23, 2013 7:57am | Report
So basically, don't bother playing her until I get my AD marks.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Satella » April 23, 2013 7:59am | Report
Yes. Also don't bother playing her until you have your stutter-stepping mechanics down solid and know how to weave autos between skills during engagements. Being able to land a perfect AA-Q-AA-Q-AA-Q-AA combo on an enemy running away from you is huge because it's 4 times more damage than somebody just mashing Q three times.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by GrandmasterD » April 23, 2013 8:04am | Report
Satella wrote:

Riven has like 1050% bonus AD scaling on her combo. There is absolutely no reason to use armor penetration runes.


Biggest BS I've seen in my entire life. Armour pen increases overall damage against champions, even with scalings like Riven. Also, that it a maximum damage potential, not hitting a single Q plus a W for example. The only real argument why Riven should use AD over Arp is Valor. However, I think the bonus is too small. On her, I'd definitely stick with arp marks and AD quints.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Satella » April 23, 2013 8:08am | Report

Biggest BS I've seen in my entire life. Armour pen increases overall damage against champions, even with scalings like Riven.

Except you're wrong. How about you back up your claim with some math if you think armor penetration yields higher damage output?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by GrandmasterD » April 23, 2013 8:24am | Report
Satella wrote:


Except you're wrong. How about you back up your claim with some math if you think armor penetration yields higher damage output?


I'm glad to do some math for you, gonna take some work but I'll do it. Also, I mainly called your thought process wrong. High scalings doesn't necessarily mean that AD beats Arp. In riven's case, I'll check.
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