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Creator: Dynamo5 January 25, 2013 10:52am
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I am seeking the help of a moderator other than Mowen. I had accused the user Pluckin Penguin for down-voting my guide with an alternative account because he didn't like my post on his own guide. I made the accusation because the sentence structure and text format were exactly the same, the accounts were created near within each other in 2011, and the alternative account had been inactive for 3 months... until 13 minutes after my post.

Here is the post from the alternative account: donutsaredelightful


After my accusation, it was edited to remove Pluckin Penguin's characteristic item links in all his posts, but it originally looked like this:


You have established little to zero believablity that you are a strong Shaco player. You have shown no success with this guide; however, I have seemed to skirmish upon your "one of a kind" S2 statistics with him. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/26787646#ranked-stats. You took Greater Quintessence of Experience and that is just silly. Your argument about 6% is silly as well because AD scales all game long whereas XP doesn't. Shen will tear you to shreds in a split push war. Your "team composition" is ideal; however, it seldom happens.



So I am able to tell that this is the same person by the tone and sentence structure. I confirm it by checking out the account:

It was created in 2011 relatively closely to Plukin Penguins.
It has been inactive for 3 months until now, 13 minutes after Pluckin Penguin saw my disagreeable post.

Okay, at this point I decide to report the post, and I let Pluckin Penguin know I have made the report. (Keep in mind I have no idea what the ip address was. I don't even know how to do that)
He replies with the following:

boy, what a coincidence. So lul, turns out I was right.


Mowen initially agrees after verifying the ip address and bans the account. But after he hears it was his "brother", the account is unbanned.

Are you srs? Obviously there is some favoritism here, or some form of benefit of the doubt being handed to the "popular" user. The rules explicitly say no alternative accounts. EVERYTHING indicated it was an alternative account. If someone can just reply "it's my brother" and be granted sanctuary, then what alternative accounts do you EVER ban? The ones from lesser well known users?


This user is too much of a cowardly ruffian to insult and down vote me on his actual account because he is obsessed with his image, and he gets a visa?
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it's basically impossible to prove it's not his brother.


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probability of suspicious alt. account turning out to be... of all ppl on the forum... his brother's

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probability of "Uhhhh... it's the same ip address cuz it's my bro, yo!"


What the hell is Occam's Razor, YO?
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I'm not saying he's not being dishonest, I'm saying it's basically impossible to prove. :P
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There are so many threads saying 'I don't deserve this downvote' lately.

But yeah, this **** is impossible to prove.

Also, have you ever thought that maybe Penguin told his brother about your guide, and his brother decided to downvote because EXP quints are legitimately stupid?
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you shouldn't allow abuse on the basis of "it's my brother's account". still, it's not occam's razor, but i agree this is very suspicious. computer sharing is something highly unlikely, even more with such difference in activity.


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They don't have to be sharing a computer, multiple computers connected to the same private network will share the same external IP address.

That's why it's so hard to prove he's being dishonest about having a brother who uses mobafire.
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There is other information and actions taken by both accounts that lead me to believe they are telling the truth. For instance, why would he critique the same guide with both accounts? He's not protecting his guides from revenge downvoting by doing this, so there's really no reason to switch to another account to critique the guide. On top of that I can look at other things, as I said, that lead me to believe, or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are telling the truth.

This has nothing to do with favoritism, and you are breaking the rules yourself by insulting Pluckin Penguin in your post. There is no reason to do that. Users are allowed to have 1 account. These are 2 users with 2 separate accounts. Even if Pluckin Penguin talked to his brother about it and talked to him while he was commenting on the guide it is not against the rules to talk to people IRL about things that happen on the site and coordinate together on the site.

If you had just waited for me to respond to your pm instead of pming other moderators and posting on the support forums I wouldn't have had to clarify this in front of everybody. Just in case you didn't know Administrators (red names) are the highest authority users on the site. If you disagree with our decisions don't go around asking everyone else to do something about it because they cannot.
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lol sure
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Mowen wrote:

For instance, why would he critique the same guide with both accounts? He's not protecting his guides from revenge downvoting by doing this, so there's really no reason to switch to another account to critique the guide.


Because the first critique was before he was aggravated.
The second critique came later.



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you shouldn't allow abuse on the basis of "it's my brother's account". still, it's not occam's razor, but i agree this is very suspicious. computer sharing is something highly unlikely, even more with such difference in activity.



Right. Brothers sharing a computer, who sound exactly the same. By the way that alternative account had never made an up-vote in its history until the day I reported it. He made the up-votes so as to not look suspicious. Then tells the admin "Oh, it's my brother's, herp-derp".

I essentially handed all the evidence on a silver platter to the administrator in this report. All the accused had to say was a single line, and he was off the hook.



This is a case of an administrator being incompetent or refusing to do their job.
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