how to counter range?

[quote=boythinks]hi all, I hve been playing lol for 3 few weeks now .. mostly with ryze and swain mid... with Swain I find i can beat a lot of oponents who has a bit of range on me by using my root to stop them from last hitting and since i have a little bit of tankyness i can give them the first attack and still walk in and do a full combo... however a few times now i have played vs Catlyn Mid and i got completeluy decimated .... i dont know how i can cunter her massive range any ideas on what i cn do to counter champs with big range as swain[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Well some of the things you can do vs cait is to: A) Rush [[hextech revolver]] so you can ignore a good bit of her poke through spellvamp B) Get a [[philosopher's stone]] so you can regen her harass (both of these last two are assuming you can dodge at least SOME of her shots) C) Learn what her CD's are, dodge the long range harass she has, then counter her when she has no way to trade effectively with you D) Play a push champ like [[mordekaiser]] and keep her ass glued to her turret all day long so she misses farm and you come out on top late game because you have more cash than she does E) Have someone from a different lane come over to yours and gank her a couple of times so you can come out on top in lane and half-health her with a couple of spells F) Profit! Hope this helped[/quote]

[quote=boythinks]cheers i will try the hextech route.. and go find out her CD i have been thinking of buying moredekaiser...quite different champ from my usual ap mages[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Personally I would just say be up in her face and aggressive as Swain. Assuming you are starting [[Boots of speed]] + 3 [[Health potion]]s, then you should be able to just run up to her [[Torment]], [[Decrepify]] and maybe a few autos then back out. Once you get to 6, you can just repeat the above combo and turn your ulti on to heal back harass. I would recommend getting a few [[Doran's Ring]]s to relieve some of your squishiness, and then get a [[Liandry's Torment]]. That should give you a good amount of damage and health, as well as mana regen so you can play aggressively against Cait.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Play aggressive, Caitlyn stands no chance against Swain in trades or fights. What you're probably doing is letting her hit you a lot for free and getting too scared to try anything. Swain is a bully in lane if you can force trades, if you can hit [[nevermove]] on her after level 6 you can likely even kill her straight up. Doesn't matter if she hits you 2 or 3 times while you're walking up to her, your combo will deal much more damage than a few autoattacks. Just try to dodge [[piltover peacemaker]]. Armour runes would help too but since you're new I guess you probably don't have them.[/quote]

[quote=Sensei Lyfur]I'm sure regardless of what you do, you should be successful in a Caitlin and Swain matchup, particularly with the Swain ult that will entirely annihilate her. Her passive and her Q can be really annoying, especially when she's in the bushes, but overall you should be able to beat her. I don't play Swain, but from what I have seen and when I play Caitlin against him, he's generally able to beat me.[/quote]

[quote=boythinks]thanks guys... just had a game v caitlyn... took a couple of shots to the face ... then walked over and killled her .. had to flash a couple of times to get close but i figure burning a flash for a kill is ok got two dorans rings and then got lvl 2 boots so can run up to her seemed to work out pretty well[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Yeah solo ADCs tend to lose to APCs in general.[/quote]