A jungler that might work...

[quote=DuffTime]MmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnoIdon'tthinkso. But I do agree that he is under rated :)[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]I guess I feel he's not even rated so can't even be under rated. People just don't understand his kit yet and the same goes for a lot of the new junglers.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I consider him between C- and B- on my "Ranking" system.[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]eh i didn't want to derail thread but I suppose since thread is called A jungler that might work... and not the adventures of jungle soraka Yeah I'd put him around there myself. However I do believe he can be A if people understood him. The new life steal runes really brought his game up. I think support junglers can kind of fall into the same boat. It allows you to really blow up that bot lane if you play your cards right. However I feel an AD in jungle is better than support for economy reasons. Unless you running double support team that is.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I think there are 3 qualifications for good junglers, and I think they are changing as time goes now. It used to be; Clear speed, Gear indepency, Ganking power. Now I think it is; Ganking power, Clear speed. Gear independency, Mobility Because of this dramatic change, a lot of jungle players are behind the learning curve. Now you see Shaco and Rammus and Maokai and other relatively decent clear speed junglers, at the top of the pyramid due to their ganking power. If a champ can clear well, and gank well, and cover the map fairly quickly, chances are they are a good jungle. Twitch in my eyes can never be a Tier A jungler, it's against the laws of game mechanics, however being a C- or B- means you can still do it and win games.[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]I guess he does require a lot of items. Since the new jungle changes I been stacking doran's and going boots of mobility a lot to duel jungelrs and gank harder. His clear speed is same as rammus faster when he gets items.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]But he's a lot more gear dependent, and has a lot less mobility for covering more map faster than Rammus does. Also this is personal preference but I prefer junglers to be economy tanks, there's just the right amount of gold for it ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]I guess that's fine for early game. Damage soak doesn't work that great late game though unless you have some imba team fighting move. *edit* Not saying rammus is a tumor late game though. If you don't respect a good junglers kit you often get owned. You can however buy a QSS to cleanse taunt and lifesteal though his damage reflection etc On another note Jungle Ezeral no one has brought up yet also. I'm no expert on him but he has a pretty nice kit. That and you don't need mobility boots on him.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah well I do eventually build Rylai's on Rammus sooo... >:P Ezreal barely passes as an AD bot. I think he'd be downright garbage in the jungle :P[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]I seen HSGG play him a few times, I agree he isn't the best bot at the moment. Ez has some nice tricks though.[/quote]