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I suppose his ganks might also be lacking he can slow tons with red but other than that doesn't have a disable of his own. AD gank damage can be very wtf at times though.
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That aside,
There's more to the jungle than Ganks, Gear and Speed.
Soraka isn't jungled because while she's sustained, her ganks are lackluster and her late game is laughable.
Twitch isn't jungled because he's super not sustained. He has trouble clearing camps without losing a lot of life and mana, which means he's essentially a gank-bot, which fails at higher levels.
Ezreal and other AD carries aren't jungled for that reason as well: too squishy.
Singed isn't jungled because he wants top lane farm and is actually good in top lane. He could probably be jungled effectively, but his selling point (ganks) is hurt by his need for farm. While Cho'Gath presents similar issues, his clearing speed, sustain and life gain on feast is stronger than Singed's need for levels and gear, so he doesn't lose much farm over time.
That aside,
There's more to the jungle than Ganks, Gear and Speed.
Soraka isn't jungled because while she's sustained, her ganks are lackluster and her late game is laughable.
Twitch isn't jungled because he's super not sustained. He has trouble clearing camps without losing a lot of life and mana, which means he's essentially a gank-bot, which fails at higher levels.
Ezreal and other AD carries aren't jungled for that reason as well: too squishy.
Singed isn't jungled because he wants top lane farm and is actually good in top lane. He could probably be jungled effectively, but his selling point (ganks) is hurt by his need for farm. While Cho'Gath presents similar issues, his clearing speed, sustain and life gain on feast is stronger than Singed's need for levels and gear, so he doesn't lose much farm over time.
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I suppose his ganks might also be lacking he can slow tons with red but other than that doesn't have a disable of his own. AD gank damage can be very wtf at times though.
All legitimate thoughts.
But he's still a gear dependent average DPS poke >:P
Hahano wrote:
There's more to the jungle than Ganks, Gear and Speed.
Soraka isn't jungled because while she's sustained, her ganks are lackluster and her late game is laughable.
Twitch isn't jungled because he's super not sustained. He has trouble clearing camps without losing a lot of life and mana, which means he's essentially a gank-bot, which fails at higher levels.
Ezreal and other AD carries aren't jungled for that reason as well: too squishy.
Singed isn't jungled because he wants top lane farm and is actually good in top lane. He could probably be jungled effectively, but his selling point (ganks) is hurt by his need for farm. While Cho'Gath presents similar issues, his clearing speed, sustain and life gain on feast is stronger than Singed's need for levels and gear, so he doesn't lose much farm over time.
1; Agree with Soraka, however not with the reasoning. Her late game is under rated when geared properly. You may never have watched Scyx17's streams, but he plays a loooooot of solo mid Soraka. However as a support, her end game is ****ing trash, and it would be bad as a jungle as well.
2; Twitch actually is jungled, a player went platinum S1 with revive smite Twitch (Post nerf), and a few players are still jungling Twitch today. "Gank-bots" as you call them are currently dominating in high elo... I think you're misinformed.
3; Singed is actually not as terribly gear reliant as you imply. Is Cho is not gear reliant for his HP bonus, then Singed is not gear reliant for the armor and MR on his ultimate.
Basically of all the things you said, we only agree on Soraka, and that you should play what you want to play. You can't do "Anything" with a champ just for being good with them, and be competitive, however.
Ganks, gear independency, clear speed, and mobility, those are the key elements to a good jungler right now.

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This works, but isn't practical. She has better positions like mid and bot, but if those are taken by silly pickers, you could jungle/top with her. A very versatile champion indeed, just not the best at anything imo.

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Twitch isn't jungled because he's super not sustained. He has trouble clearing camps without losing a lot of life and mana, which means he's essentially a gank-bot, which fails at higher levels.
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Just need to see better Twitch players. I can 1-4 in jungle at 100% life with Twitch. I saw Satashi die to mobs on stream yesterday though so I can understand why people would have this idea. Not to mention AD does not fall off at higher levels. Take Caitlyn for instance sure she can die in a stun but with items she can do some terrible things.
And about being amazing with a character someone just has to do it on stream and have others copy. There wouldn't be ten jillion copy cat shacos applying their red buff / ignite gank technology if someone famous didn't do it first.
Not saying that's all there is to Shaco he just seems like a character that you'd have to make good decisions on to be effective. That information is common knowledge due to the interwebs.
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Regardless, Gank-Bots are the meta for jungle right now...

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Regardless, Gank-Bots are the meta for jungle right now...
For solo que ^_^
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Though I can imagine seeing it in tournaments as well. Especially 2/3 - 3/5 format
Solo que is what matters though
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No, it's just the nature of the new jungle.
Mobile ganky champions with a decent clear speed are gods with the new format.
Mobile ganky champions with a decent clear speed are gods with the new format.

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He can poke harder than some and if he lands like 5 skillshots and can keep his passive charged he'll do some good damage right clicking but you don't want your damage to be situational.
Ever.
Armor counters the **** out of Ez, moreso than with other carry types.