Hmmm...A Shaco Question!

[quote=Dante Rebellion]Black cleaver Vs. Trinity Force I personally go with Trinity Force...However a couple of people + Reginald stick to Black Cleaver.. These items are both just sooo good on shaco...Im wondering if anyone can provide the math on which one is better? Take into consideration the trinity/sheen effect, will make Q crit harder, and also give spikes of burst to damage... but at the same time.. the passive of black cleaver also boosts damage. Also, what do you think of this build (jungle ofc.) Wriggles (must have, the ward is too important), Boots of mobility, Sheen, Black cleaver, Wit's End (hmm), Banshee, Trinity Force I am pretty interested with the new Wits end..I dunno how good it will be though, I might ditch the item and go for an early Banshee followed by a guardian angel, and finished with a trinity.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar][quote]These items are both just sooo good on shaco..[/quote] What happend to: Black cleaver sucks? Changeing our opinions are we?[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]I would say skip Trinity an go BC+Zeal/PhantomDancers, the stats on Trinity are meh, you get a chance to slow (already have a slow anyway) a proc effect which is meh and I don't think it can crit.[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong][quote=Adonikam] I would say skip Trinity an go BC+Zeal/PhantomDancers, the stats on Trinity are meh, you get a chance to slow (already have a slow anyway) a proc effect which is meh and I don't think it can crit. [/quote] It can. It's alright for burst but if you're chasing someone down you're probably going to have better luck with PD + BC and 2shiv off CD.[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]Honestly, unless the champion's abilities have a 3 or so second cooldown, then I get a Black Cleaver. B-Wong is right in that trinity force DOES crit, but only the autoattack crits. The damage from trinity force is NOT AFFECTED by the crit.[/quote]

[quote=Dante Rebellion][quote=PotatisFarfar] [quote]These items are both just sooo good on shaco..[/quote] What happend to: Black cleaver sucks? Changeing our opinions are we? [/quote] Yes. Even though I love trinity force..I feel like Black cleaver could actually be useful (after i used it on xin and discovered its mad burst.) I see alot of BC+PD comments... cause reginald made that build x.x.. But I havnt really seen him use it properly, the game he recorded on his guide was him using bloodrazor and backdooring[/quote]

[quote=Skrallz]Ok, so call me a baddie, but when I play shaco I usually get fed early and then my damage sort of dies off mid game, but I just get a sheen really quick *after wriggles*. This gives me insane early burst *sheen proc stacks with Q buff*, and an alright mid game burst. Usually if I would be building vs. armor heavy people I would not get a black cleaver, but a last whisper . . ., but anyways after my Sheen I get an IE, and then a phage. While finishing off my trinity force, i might get another health crystal, or another pickaxe to finish off last whisper. In the end my build woild be Wriggles, Boot, Trinity, IE, BV,LW But it's expensive . . .[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Depends on what you need. Extra burst or ArP vs bulky champs. Easy as that. If you go vs a squishy team i see no poing in getting TBC... i would get IE anyway... Vs tanky team i would probably go with Mardred anyway :P not TBC :P hmmm[/quote]

[quote=React]I get both... I lake some of the major AS though...[/quote]

[quote=Searz]The proc isn't included in crits. The attack that applies the proc can crit though.[/quote]