Xenasis wrote:
The difference being that WW is a god in the jungle, Urgot is far from that!
Very much so, not only is WW one of the most sustained junglers after Cho'Gath or Nunu, but he is also an amazing ganker.
I was just saying that Urgot shouldn't be praised for his laning phase, but instead for his amazing ability as an Anti-Carry even with very little items. (I've seen him kill a full build Ashe with just Brutalizer, Bloodthirster, Black Cleaver, and CDR boots in about 3 seconds. Then he ulted their Annie and we got the kill easily.)
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Traa1703 wrote:
WW has far less lethal ganks then Urgot has. So it only shows that you're prejudiced towards Urgot being a weak jungler.
Yes, but Urgot also has a far weaker response to counter jungling, a far worse sustain in the jungle, and much much more use in a a lane.
Urgot is a MONSTER in lane, because he can ususally lane for a long enough time to just obliterate any lane opponent.
It's the same reason people use Le Blanc and similar champions, they just do so much damage that they destroy their lane.
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Traa1703 wrote:
WW has far less lethal ganks then Urgot has. So it only shows that you're prejudiced towards Urgot being a weak jungler.
WW's post 6 ganks are some of the best in the game. Urgot requires a lock on - and let's be honest, you're not going to hit that on moving targets every single time. Especially taking into account Flash/Flash-esque abilities.
Urgot is an extremely weak jungler, if you could call him a jungler at all. Not to rain on your parade, but he has such terrible survivability, if an enemy knows where to look in the jungle - you're dead. Sure, he has a shield, but what else?
It's wasted potential imo, it's like putting an Udyr on a lane, he can do it, but he's just so damn bad at it when he's one of the best junglers in the game there's no point to it.
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Temzilla wrote:
Yes, but Urgot also has a far weaker response to counter jungling, a far worse sustain in the jungle, and much much more use in a a lane.
Urgot is a MONSTER in lane, because he can ususally lane for a long enough time to just obliterate any lane opponent.
It's the same reason people use Le Blanc and similar champions, they just do so much damage that they destroy their lane.
There are junglers who's role as jungler is only there because of their superb ganking skills. Nocturne has virtually no counter jungling and when I jungle him I end up having low health throughout the early levels were ganks are most important. But because Nocturne has great damage, good initiating and cc we overlook the fact that he is super easy stop by merely clearing Wraiths and wolves so he can't kill blue buff unless he gets help (which is not likely in solo Q) and if he recalls he won't have enough cash to buy boots.
Urgot on the other hand can gank when he is level 2 if needed and don't lose more hp in the jungle after blue buff is taken. By spamming
Acid Hunter he clears camps fast and at level 2 leveling Noxian Corrosive Charge it will take 1/4 of their health making you go really fast, which in turn reduces the damage you take. After wraiths you can either level Terror Capacitor to gank or Acid Hunter if you want to keep jungling.I'm not sure if he can go kill red buff after mini golems but if (if you level
Acid Hunter instead of ganking) he can, that will push him to level 4 which will give him two slows and two levels in Acid Hunter making him a ganking monster instead of laning monster.
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The difference is that Nocturne's ganks are incredibly deadly while Urgot's are mediocre at best. Nocturne has a movement speed increase and a hard CC in his fear, as well as stopping counter-gank methods with his W and being a naturally fast, sustainable jungler.
Urgot, on the other hand, is hindered by his ganking. It's comparable to any jungler with red buff. When all you have is a slow, you don't have the hard CC that many good junglers have that make them so potent.
Note also that a level 2 Urgot is forced to either gank without a slow (taking NCC) or to gank without NCC.
Add that to the fact that he has no sustainability (lifesteal, health gain), is extremely reliant on blue buff, and is counter-jungled as well as ganked easily in the jungle, and he's a pretty bad jungler overall.
Urgot, on the other hand, is hindered by his ganking. It's comparable to any jungler with red buff. When all you have is a slow, you don't have the hard CC that many good junglers have that make them so potent.
Note also that a level 2 Urgot is forced to either gank without a slow (taking NCC) or to gank without NCC.
Add that to the fact that he has no sustainability (lifesteal, health gain), is extremely reliant on blue buff, and is counter-jungled as well as ganked easily in the jungle, and he's a pretty bad jungler overall.
Xenasis wrote:
it's like putting an Udyr on a lane, he can do it, but he's just so damn bad at it when he's one of the best junglers in the game there's no point to it.
That is total bs...one of my friends lanes Udyr and it's scary as all hell.
Xenasis wrote:
The difference is, Xin's one of the best junglers going at the moment...
Xin isn't godlike in the lane.. He's very good, but he's just at good at jungling.
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Temzilla wrote:
Urgot is probably the best damage dealer in lane, but he's far from the best laner in the game.
I'd rank Lanewick higher.
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Gain elo and you might see how strong he can be.
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