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Creator: Nny00000 January 27, 2012 1:37pm
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I was curious if they did or not, as obviously this would make them a good item against a champion who focuses on an ability like one.

At my disposal I had: Blitz, MF, Poppy, Leona, and Morde. The first two have physical on hit abilities, the latter have magical.

My ***** had 82 AR, 34 AR, 760 HP (Tested in Dominion, so with 12% APEN and 5% MPEN, that lowers to 72 AR and 32 MR). All abilities were upgraded to level 2 and I also had Havoc Mastery.

For the physical, reduction:
If it does not apply: (100/172)*1.015 = 59% reduction.
If it does apply: (100/172)*0.9*1.015 = 53% reduction.

Blitz: 108 AD, so Power Fist would do 216 damage pre-reduction.
It did 114 damage, or 52.7% reduction.
Conclusion: It applies to Power Fist.

MF: 97 AD, so Double Shot would do 132.75 pre-reduction.
It did 70 damage, or 52.7% reduction.
Conclusion: It applies to Double Shot.

For the magical, reduction:
If it does not apply: (100/132)*1.015 = 76.9% reduction.
If it does apply: (100/132)*0.9*1.015 = 69% reduction.

Poppy: 136 AD and 4 AP, so DB would do 239 pre-reduction.
It did 183 damage, or 76.6% reduction.
Conclusion: It does NOT apply to Devastating Blow.

Morde: 112 AD and 4 AP, Mace would do 261.5 pre-reduction.
It did 200 damage, or 76.5% reduction.
Conclusion: It does NOT apply to Mace of Spades.

In Leona's case, she does physical damage and then magical damage (In her case, I did not have the havoc mastery).

With 114 AD and 4 AP, the physical part should have done 114 and the magical 71. The physical was reduced to 59 (52.3% reduction, so applies) and the magical did 53 damage (74.6% reduction, so does not apply).

Therefore, conclusion:
Ninja Tabi affect physical on-hit abilities, but not magical.
(Also verified that it does NOT work on normal physical abilities in case it was a bug).

I believe this is actually an indirect nerf to the shoes as well; I know my Devastating Blow could be dodged as Poppy so the old shoes would affect it but the new shoes do not. I'm not sure if other on-hit attacks could be dodged as well, though. If they couldn't, it's a buff.

From what I can tell, here are the physical abilities that Ninja Tabi would reduce:

Yorick: Omen of War
Wukong: Crushing Blow
Volibear: Rolling Thunder
Vayne: Tumble
Trundle: Rabid Bite
Talon: Noxian Diplomacy
Sivir: Ricochet
Shyvana: Twin Bite
Shaco: Deceive
Riven: Runic Blade
Renekton: Ruthless Predator
Nidalee: Take Down
Nasus: Siphoning Strike
Miss Fortune: Double Up
Leona: Shield of Daybreak (Only part physical, other part magical)
Irelia: Bladesurge
Garen: Deciesive Strike
Gangplank: Parrrley
Fizz: Urchin Strike (This attack has both a phsyical and magical portion; Is it like Leona's where two damages pop up? If it's two different damages, then we can conclude it's affected like Leona's. If it's one damage, physical is probably still only affected but could be interesting)
Ezreal: Mystic Shot
Caitlyn: Headshot
Blitzcrank: Power Fist

It would be nice if people that could test those test those :)
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Nice work,

regarding the "nerf or buff?" thought behind that:
Since Ddg couldnt avoid all of the skills mentined, its more like being tweaked.



Nevertheless: Old ones > new ones.
With or wihout involving on-hit skills.
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Yeah, Dar's right, old shoes were already better.

Just means new shoes are even worse. :P
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I certainly agree old > new (I was always surprised not to see more people build them) and I hope this topic doesn't evolve into that argument since there are plenty of topics already about that - I was simply talking in regards if it was a buff or nerf to on-hit abilities.

However, after reading up more on some of the skills, it's as Darcurse mentioned - some were dodge-able, some weren't. It's skill-specific if it was a buff or a nerf or no affect.
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This means it doesn't affect, say, Bloodrazor?
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Kirielis wrote:

This means it doesn't affect, say, Bloodrazor?


I haven't tested it, but I would bet on that being correct.
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Thanks for doing the legwork, Nny00000.
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ok thx, this helped me alot
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