Supports and carries

[quote=miniboes]Hello, Lately i have been maining the support role, and feel like i really like it. I have the feeling that in high elo games the support and carry are adapted to what they want to do: They either want to be a kill lane, a poke lane, a safe lane or something else i dont know of. Now what i want to know is which champions (support and carry) are good for what kind of lane and why. I am not sure if this is the right section, correct me if it is not. Greets, Boes.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Kill Lane Supports: Leona Alistar Taric Sustain Lane Supports: Soraka Sona Karma Taric Poke Lane Supports: Sona Janna Nunu Poke AD Carrys: Caitlyn Miss Fortune Ezreal Varus Draven Farm AD Carrys: Ashe Vayne Kog'Maw Tristana - kill lane/farm lane Graves - strong laning/strong all around Corki - strong all around Sivir - all around more or less this is what I think of it but there are tons of combos perhaps this powerpoint by 2200 Spellsy (support player) will help[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Lately [[nunu]]+[[vayne]] was seen and it was already very effective earlygame. In this lane, [[vayne]] maxed bolts while [[nunu]] kept the enemy in place with [[ice blast]]. So this lane transformed more or less into a poke lane. [[vayne]] also got a double kill after 4 minutes.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]What mooninites said is p good infos ^_^[/quote]

[quote=miniboes]Thanks mooninites, very helpful post. What do you guys think about lulu, would she fit best in a poke lane or a kill lane? I do not think she is good for a sustain lane because she does not have a heal except for her ulti, which is obviously only avaible until level 6 and has a long cooldown. And do you guys think Karma and Nidalee are viable? If yes, in what kind of lane does Karma belong? I have really never seen her ingame. I suppose Urgot belongs in a kill lane or a poke lane, am i right?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Lulu is a poke support because of the extreme range on her [[glitterlance]]. Karma and Nidalee are special cases. With Karma, you want to have someone who gets in, and hits hard like [[graves]]. [[Quickdraw]]+[[Soul shield]]+[[buckshot]] is a lot of free, protected damage and then, you can use [[spirit bond]] if you need to flee. Nidalee is a poke-y support because of her spears and the fact that her traps provide a ton of bush control. Caitlyn is a decent pair because of the dual traps and long vision on [[pounce]] for Cait to use her ult on.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Hotshot swears by cait/nidalee.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]I played Cait Nid today ;o It's quite good imo. Gives so much presence at bot lane.[/quote]

[quote=miniboes]Ok, and how about urgot?[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Well [[Urgot]] is kind of a tanky beast in lane, I think his best supports are [[Taric]], [[Leona]], and [[Soraka]]. With that said he is also countered by [[Taric]] and [[Soraka]]. He does pretty well against most AD champs but he probably has the most trouble against [[Caitlyn]] and [[Varus]]. Sometimes [[Miss Fortune]] ___________________________ as far as [[lulu]], she might be the worst support in the game right now. She's deffinitely worse than Sona due to her minor buffs, might be worse than karma, probably better than lux, nidalee, or morgana support but that's not really saying much. I would classify her similarly to [[Sona]], she's a support that harasses and zones but I don't think she does it effectively __________________________ As far as [[Karma]] and [[Nidalee]] I would say yes/no. I play both Karma and Nidalee a lot (not support Nid but support karma). Support Karma can work but it's generally better with a strong AD carry (like MF, corki, graves) or a farm lane (like ashe, vayne - you are expecting to lose this lane). With that said Karma is probably the best late game support in terms of healing and damage mitigation. No support in the game currently can heal and/or shield as much as a 40% CDR Karma can, the problem is getting there. So she's viable but pretty reliant on her AD player As far as Nidalee support, I've made it work fairly often, but I probably have like 800-1000 games played with just Nidalee alone. Atleast 1/3 of all my games played have been with her and that's generally playing her as an AP carry top or Mid. The problem is Nidalee's spear doesn't really hurt that bad if she's far behind which she will be as a support. Her traps give her bush control and she has a good auto-attack to trade. However her heal has fairly low base compared to other supports but a good ratio. Since most supports build more aura/active based now she won't have the AP to make her heal match up to say soraka's. Building AP delays her aura-based items, ontop of deathcap being expensive. Additionally, Soraka's heal grants armor which is useful on any champion in lane and out of lane. Nidalee's heal gives attack speed which is great for the AD carry, but less effective on tanks, AP carry's etc. I say play support nid for fun if you want, but competitively leave her top or mid[/quote]