What did you get for christmas?

[quote=Toshabi]I normally don't support Caucheka, but give the guy a break. Unlike you guys, it would seem as if he has stepped outside of his house and is aware of how the real world works while finding himself a young lady to marry him. And this thread isn't about Feminism (lol, wannabe problems) or woman's rights. This is about what you got from Christmas. So shut the fuck up and get back on topic or I'm sitting on you.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=caucheka]she lacks self-respect because she values traditional family virtues? because she wants to be a stay-at-home mom and raise kids like a woman is supposed to? because she wants a man who can stand up and be a god damned man to provide for her and said kids?[/quote] I think you're a bit heavy on the rhetoric, bro. Try to answer a question with an answer, not tangentially related(at best) questions. This comment is just one big straw man. Straw men seem to be your favorite mode of fallacy.. Allow me to clarify: is she aware of your sexist/anti-womens'-rights and racist tendencies? Is she okay with them? If so: Happy you found somebody as racist and sexist as you are. Keep on perpetuating the hate, the world needs more of it! [quote=Toshabi]This is about what you got from Christmas. So shut the fuck up and get back on topic or I'm sitting on you.[/quote] OOoOoOoo, please sit on my face Toshabi-sama![/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]>:^[[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Idk, but caucheka answered perfectly to your question. I mean, all the question he put out were mostly clarifying how his gf looks at family and her standpoint especially pointing out the parts where femenism/femenazis try to extremely change the structure. Right now, you are just a big ass hypocrite, Searz.[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99]Congratulaions on engagement caucheka, I wish you happy life together with your fiance.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]I don't even understand why he had to derail a thread with this shit. I guess if the woman isn't the main household provider, earning the most income and wears the pants in the relationship, Caucheka is sexist.[/quote]

[quote=R4GE]Congratz on the engagement Caucheka! and Searz, we get it, you do have a point, but please keep it to yourself instead of leading a thread that has nothing to do with it on the wrong trail.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]Come on Toshabi, you know very well that we don't care at all what his fiancee is like. #rageon #throwthecheese[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=caucheka]she lacks self-respect because she values traditional family virtues? because she wants to be a stay-at-home mom and raise kids like a woman [b]is supposed to[/b]? because she wants a man who can stand up and be a god damned man to provide for her and said kids?[/quote]I never said that she lacked self-respect, I didn't even imply that. It's her choice what she does with her life and doing what she wants means she respects her own desires. I respect her for living her life as she wants to, but I don't have to want that life too and I'm not "supposed" to do anything. The fact that I am biologically capable of having children certainly does not require me to have them and it also does not require me to be their sole caretaker if I do choose to have them. [quote=Toshabi]I guess if the woman isn't the main household provider, earning the most income and wears the pants in the relationship, Caucheka is sexist.[/quote]It has nothing to do with that. It's about some things that have been said in other situations (like the one above) which suggest he thinks [i]all[/i] women are supposed to do what his fiance wants to do. It's like saying a guy isn't really a "man" because he decides he wants to be a stay-at-home dad. Gender roles do exist, but we are NOT required to perpetuate them. I'm tired of hearing about how I have to "settle down, find a man, and be a mom" eventually when that's not something I'm sure I actually want to do with my life. on topic: I forgot I got an adorable baby griffon plush and some chocolates. And a bit of spending cash from my grandparents. My grandmother has a skewed idea of what size clothes people wear and I end up with sweaters and such in size XL that I swim in and never wear if she actually picks things out for me herself. X.X[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Bard pretty much nailed it. It's all about choice and if a woman doesn't want to fit the role then she should be allowed to do so. [quote=Toshabi]I guess if the woman isn't the main household provider, earning the most income and wears the pants in the relationship, Caucheka is sexist.[/quote] You just presented a false dilemma. Please stop using fallacies. [quote=xIchi]Idk, but caucheka answered perfectly to your question. I mean, all the question he put out were mostly clarifying how his gf looks at family and her standpoint especially pointing out the parts where femenism/femenazis try to extremely change the structure. Right now, you are just a big ass hypocrite, Searz.[/quote] He didn't even post an answer. He posted a series of questions, which even if assumed rhetorical don't even answer the initial question.. Stop being stupid. I suspected you were leaning pretty hard in the MRA-extremist direction. Your repeated use of "femnazis" and expressions such as that make it fairly clear. I've agreed with you in several discussions regarding gender-related topics, but I've several times complained about your terminology and way of referring to the opposition. I consider myself very close to neutral. I'm for equality (note: not equity) and I will call out any bullshit I see regardless of which side it's on. If I see bullshit on the feminist side I sure as hell will point that out, and if I see it on the "MRA" (or whatever you want to call yourselves) side I sure hell will point out that too.[/quote]