Ekko: Runes, Masteries, and, Build Ideas.

[quote=The Giratina][b][i][u]Note:[/u][/i][/b]These builds are [b]NOT[/b] set in stone. You can edit these builds to your liking. Maybe you want more armor so you go 9 armor instead of my mix or you like Rod on Him (which personally I don't like) so feel free to change it up. So they recently released Ekko's Stats and Abilites which you can see [url=http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/05/513-pbe-update.html#ekk2]here[/url] So looking at them, I've come to some ideas of what his runes and masteries. Runes: Reds: 9x Magic Pen Yellows: 4 Flat Armor, 5 Flat hp Blues: 9 Scaling MR Quints: 3 MoveSpeed or AP Masteries: Im split between 21/9/0 and 21/0/9 but I'm leaning to 21/9/0 for the "extra" defense but the 21/0/9 could be a good one to go with as well. Build: Start: Ring + 2 HP pots or Flask if you started just playing Ekko. Core: Sorc Shoes, Ludens, Lich Bane For the rest of the items, I've been conflicted with them. I know that we could go the regular RabCap, Void, Zhonyas, and thats what I'm leaning twords to with the crazy scaling on his ult (500 base with 1.3 AP? Daaaaaaaaaaaamn) So until I get more info about it, thats the build I would stick with. So what your your thoughts on this? EDIT (5/29/15 update): So I found out that I had gotten an account on PBE (On May 5 ( ._.) ) and was able to experiment with my build. It worked fairly well, but I had discovered another build for him with a hybrid build. I haven't gotten the specifics for it and I'm still asking around but from the information so far The build looks like: Runes: Same runes as above until information is gathered Masteries: 21/0/9 With taking Fury instead of CDR Build: Start: Dorans + Cookies Core: Nashors, Sorcs, Gunblade Next youll want to get Zhonyas then 2 other items. There is a lot of speculation of that those are tiems are but I usual finsih the build as ap Edit numero 2: Jungle Ekko. Woooo. there is a lot of speculation on what his build paths have been but Im putting what Ive had the most sucess with: Runes: AS reds Armor Yel mr lvl blues ( or 6 cdr) Ap quints Masteries: 21/9/0 taking Rough and Bladed with recovery Build: Start Hunters 2 pots Grab a trailblazer and some boots Now switch trailblazer for Skrim. Ive had better success with Red than Blue but its honestly your choice Main Core: Skrim Mag, Lich, Zhonyas Then its all just ap Ekko. Honestly I dont like Rod on Ekko and full ap is really op in a duel with his ult burst. Tell me what you think![/quote]

[quote=gerbit]My ideas: RUNES: Reds: 9x Magic Pen Yellow: 9x Flat Armor (or your mix) Blue: Scaling Cdr Quitns: Flat AP Masteries: I think 21|9|0 could be a bit better, but that's just based on my playstyle. Build: Start: flask+3pots (he has some mana problems) Core: Morello, Sorc Sheos, Lich Bane You aim for the 40% Cdr at lv 18, i guess, becuase that way you can get in, pop someone and get out (fizz style). His ratios are huge, so at this point I'd get the most ap i can, so like Deathcap, Zhonya's and Void Staff. Lots of people talk about luden's... I think it's a nice item, and it has synergies with his kit, but I think that other items are more important. Maybe Morello could be questionable, but it gets you to that 40% and gives some mana regen, which you wouldn't have otherwise.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][[Nashor's Tooth]] looks like a good item on him. He gets DPS so he doesn't have to use his abilities on waveclear, and it keeps up the damage if his initial burst doesn't work. [[Liandry's Torment]] sounds weird, but considering the nature of his [Q], it could definitely be a good item for softening them up.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]nashors tooth isnt good on him, he already bursts people fast enough plus his abilities apply his passive so theres no reason to build AS on him going sorc boots, echo, lich bane, hourglass, void, deathcap is good enough, maybe getting a GA if you need it[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=DillButt64]nashors tooth isnt good on him, he already bursts people fast enough plus his abilities apply his passive so theres no reason to build AS on him[/quote] Not the innate, his [[Parallel Convergence]] passive. It makes waveclear a breeze, and the length of his stun gives a long time to whack away. There's also CDR on it that he otherwise rarely fits into his build. I wouldn't rush it even as a second item, but it definitely is viable on him.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]I don't think [[lich bane]] should be core. It just seems so useless on him considering that he does exactly one burst while [[lich bane]] is good for those who can easily proc it and actually use the auto attack ([[Ekko]] needs E to do this and using it to deal sustained damage will outposition you frequently).[/quote]

[quote=Quite Nomible][quote=Janitsu]I don't think [[lich bane]] should be core. It just seems so useless on him considering that he does exactly one burst while [[lich bane]] is good for those who can easily proc it and actually use the auto attack ([[Ekko]] needs E to do this and using it to deal sustained damage will outposition you frequently).[/quote] I agree he doesn't proc [[lich bane]] as often like [[fizz]] does for example, but it does add some surprising extra burst if you use it with your passive. That's why I would build it on him. About the outpositioning part, I dunno. There are lots of other ways to get out of some nasty situations as well with [[ekko]], even if you're going to use E to just jump someone. I find his Q + passive to be very reliable to get out of a nasty situation as well (you get 80% MS and they get a 80% slow + another slow, that's pretty huge) and your ult is pretty much guaranteed safety if you have it at the right position.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=FantasySniper][quote=DillButt64]nashors tooth isnt good on him, he already bursts people fast enough plus his abilities apply his passive so theres no reason to build AS on him[/quote] Not the innate, his [[Parallel Convergence]] passive. It makes waveclear a breeze, and the length of his stun gives a long time to whack away. There's also CDR on it that he otherwise rarely fits into his build. I wouldn't rush it even as a second item, but it definitely is viable on him.[/quote] think of his W's passive like you would pantheons crit at under 15% hp passive, you should only need to proc it once on a target[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=DillButt64] think of his W's passive like you would pantheons crit at under 15% hp passive, you should only need to proc it once on a target[/quote] Except that [[Spear Shot]] does insane damage only once, doesn't scale off of AS, and costs mana. Proc'ing the missing health damage several times makes it potent for finishing off opponents. He can build plenty of AP late game, so it deals hefty damage more than once per second. It let me win several fights I couldn't have when the enemy had caught me off-gaurd or was waiting on a second combo of spells to finish them off.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I would actually go for Blade of the Ruined King if you're honestly trying to stack with ahistorical W passive, regardless of the build.[/quote]