Archive of the Greatest Drama on Mobafire

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=Searz]I was the only motherfucker in that thread that actually posted anything of substance on the topic, because everybody else just jumped on the "Ur wrong" bandwagon and called me a retard without posting any evidence backing their claims up. VERIFY YOUR CLAIMS PEOPLE. IT'S THE BASIS OF ANY FRUITFUL DISCUSSION. [/quote] Actually, there were plenty of people who backed up their statements, you just didn't agree with the points they made because they were based more on the experience of those players than the raw math that you're such a fan of. That's fine, but don't pretend that no one tried to actually explain to you why they felt the way they did, lol. [quote=DisturbedFox]That one time when MobafireTV hired a bunch of nonames that were streaming to 20-30k bots :^)[/quote] I know you're probably just meming but the fact that you actually called them bots instead of something along the lines of "people who didn't know they were watching" tilts me. [quote=jhoijhoi]^I remember writing a blog post about it and being shut down for "groundless accusations" :3[/quote] I was in a Skype group at the time of which several members were accused (not sure if it was in the blog itself or in the comments) even though I knew they hadn't told each other to go downvote specific guides, so yeah, I definitely remember defending those people :P[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Searz]I remember making a thread about theorizing whether an item could be good in a specific build. Here's roughly how the conversation went (obviously paraphrasing): Me: Could this be any good? Everybody: No. Me: Why? Everybody: Because it isn't. Me: That's not an answer, math plx. And then everybody got super mad at me and called me all kinds of nasty things D: After a bunch of pages I did the math myself because most people were too occupied being assholes to post anything of value. You guys (you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves >:[ Also, soz, no link, I have no memory of what the thread name was.[/quote] I only remember seeing that with the Hurricane Caitlyn discussion, which has already been mentioned in the thread. What I remember of it (having quickly skimmed through it again) is that people told you you should use a crit build rather than your Hurricane-centric build, but you argued that Hurricane was really strong on Caitlyn because it did a lot of DPS when you did the maths for it, while not doing the maths for any of the items you were replacing it with. And you were also told that it was much more valuable for an ADC to concentrate all their DPS onto a single enemy rather than splitting it into AoE, but you insisted that people provide 'proof' or 'maths' for all their claims, which I don't think anyone wanted to do for a build that so clearly did more damage just by comparing how they perform in real games, and you just argued that AoE was just as good/better than single-target DPS, which isn't really something that can be proven so people could do nothing about that except say "you're wrong", which you put people down for since they weren't providing proof to go with that statement. But it turns out you were right all along, cuz now [[runaan's hurricane]] is core on [[caitlyn]]. All hail Searz the prophet! Our very own Genja![/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Wayne3100]Actually, there were plenty of people who backed up their statements, you just didn't agree with the points they made because they were based more on the experience of those players than the raw math that you're such a fan of. That's fine, but don't pretend that no one tried to actually explain to you why they felt the way they did, lol.[/quote]Experience is a really unreliable measurement when the difference is very small. Motivate =/= verify. Two very different things. I was the only one that verified anything. And it's funny that I was the one that presented verification of other people's claims that I was wrong. The calculations ended up showing that Ruunan's was worse. Not bad, but not as good at the most optimal crit build. That should show that I care more about learning and knowledge than I do about being right. [quote=Vapora Dark]people told you you should use a crit build rather than your Hurricane-centric build, but you argued that Hurricane was really strong on Caitlyn because it did a lot of DPS when you did the maths for it, while not doing the maths for any of the items you were replacing it with.[/quote]Nono, that wasn't it at all. I argued that it [b]could[/b] be better, and this was before I did the math. And when I did the math I did it properly; comparing it to a crit build. I don't do half-assed math :P [quote]you insisted that people provide 'proof' or 'maths' for all their claims[/quote]Yep. Trust but verify :D[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Vapora Dark]But it turns out you were right all along, cuz now [[runaan's hurricane]] is core on [[caitlyn]].[/quote]It's funny because it only became core on her after they added crit and MS to it. 8D[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Searz]That should show that I care more about learning and knowledge than I do about being right.[/quote] That's funny, because I don't recall you ever admitting you were wrong. :^)[/quote]

[quote=emoriam]I remember [url=http://www.mobafire.com/profile/assassin365-342706/activity]this[/url] guy and his comments on Laggermeister's guide on how to write a proper guide; there are plenty of other examples of highly toxic guide discussions, for example that one [[Sion]] guide[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust]I badly want to see some drama here on this site.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]There was literally just small scale drama in this thread[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=emoriam]I remember [url=http://www.mobafire.com/profile/assassin365-342706/activity]this[/url] guy and his comments on Laggermeister's guide on how to write a proper guide; there are plenty of other examples of highly toxic guide discussions, for example that one [[Sion]] guide[/quote] I also remember there was a diamond-5 girl who made all kinds of thrash support guides (coin heal max sona), which resulted in lots of drama. Was quite fun too.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Meiyjhe]I also remember a huge discussion between some fire guy and Searz (or sirell) about whether a statement can be offensive without being personally offended by it.[/quote]Yep, I don't remember FireLord being a part of that discussion though (he might still have been, I just don't remember). And that discussion was pretty tame if I remember correctly. I did have other heated conversations with Canoas (AKA FireLord, AKA XxShadowAssassinxX, the bans rained justly). That guy was a giant fucking asshole. He literally messaged me on steam about how he was going to troll people on the site. He constantly argued in circles and at times it was hard to tell where his trolling ended and his stupidity started. I genuinely tried to communicate with him, get him to stop his abusive behavior, but to no avail. [quote=Vapora Dark]That's funny, because I don't recall you ever admitting you were wrong. :^)[/quote]I believe said something along the lines of "It's slightly worse." as a conclusion. If people are too dumb to make the connection then I think that's the least of their problems :P [quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]There was literally just small scale drama in this thread[/quote]Psshh, if this is drama then I'm Harry Potter.[/quote]