Zilean Build Guide : Support Zilster Patch - 10.22 :: League of Legends Strategy Builds

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Yoyo I just got a question, but is Domination secondary w/ Ravenous Hunter viable

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That could be viable paired with sorcery as the main rune set, the extra health back is useful for sustaining Zilean. I would try it out, it sounds like a good idea.

- Wise Owl

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really good build and very in depth! what is your item import code?

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Hey man, this is a great Zilean guide and I've been using it for months! Do you think I could get the item import code from you? Thanks in advance!

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I was wondering who you would recommend as some good synergies with Zilean? If not specific champs, what kind of kit would be a good combo with Zilean's

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Hiya,

Sorry for the late reply, some synergies for Zilean would be: Jinx, Jhin, Ashe, and any other champions that can take advantage of locking down enemies with their own slows/stuns, and then Zilean can build on it.

Thanks,
- Wise Owl

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Something just crossed my mind. I saw a build that uses resolve for secondary runes, and it made me think "wouldn't Zilean's ult always receive the max (15%) boost from revitalize?" This wasn't one of the chosen runes, the guide had Font of Life and Bone Plating. Once you have pretty high AP, maxed ult, and if revitalize does effect your ult, 15% might be enough of a boost to revive all but the tankiest champs to full health. Of course the problem I see is that this is more of a long game strategy, where you'll only really reap the benefits late game.
I do like the idea of focusing more on rounding out what Zilean lacks as a support, mostly healing with Font of Life. If you don't land stuns you're not going to be much of a use anyway, at least in my experience, so your teammates healing off of attacking enemies could be a big help. This might pair especially well with Ashe and Kai'Sa who can either give their AS a massive boost or abilities that hit enemies a lot at once.

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Hi there!

Sorry for the late reply, thanks for the comment though, you've made a very good suggestion in giving Zilean a tankier/heal focused build. I will have to test it out in league and see if it would make a solid alternative build for him. The long term strategy might be viable as it relies on Zilean's late game strengths.
Thanks again for the suggestion, I'll see how it goes!

- Wise Owl

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Very nice guide! :) I think it's really good you covered the weirdness of Riot's min movement speed. Too many people think that 99% slow is essentially a root.

I'm not sure I agree though with leveling 'E' before 'W'. With 'W' maxed, youc an spam out your stun combo, but if you wait till almost lvl 18, you'll be doing about half as many stuns. With 1-2 levels in 'E', you can usually speed up your ADC to kite or slow your fleeing foe down enough without the extra three levels. I also wrote an AP Shyvana Guide if you're interested in checking it out :). Here's the link: https://loldata.info/champion-guide/ap-shyvana/

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Wait, you say that you level up E 2nd bcz W is not as usseful but in the guide It's shown that you level up W 2nd, soo which one do you level 2nd?
One more thing, I never played encahnter supports but I know that some of them used to take the item named Ardent Censer and I can't see you mentioning him anywhere, is it somehow good on Zilean or not?

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Hey there!

Saw what you meant with E and W, I made a recent change to my levelling and forgot to edit that part, so thank you for pointing it out. To clarify I now level W before E in preference, it will be in my guide now.

In terms of Ardent Censer, it has changed a bit over time, but at its current position it can work with the build quite well, I'd put it in place of something like Shurelya's Reverie. It has AP, Mana regen, Cooldown Reduction, Movement Speed and also increased healing/shield power. While Zilean only heals with his ultimate when reviving, the Summon Aery rune sends shields to an ally you target with your E, so it can be effective. I'd give it a go, and I'll have a look at it in depth for my guide possibly.

Thanks,
Wise Owl

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Hey just a heads up but it says you put 5 points into Q right away (with 1 point into R at 6) but you can't do that, you'd do 4 points then be forced to level another ability and THEN finish maxing Q

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Hi there!

At your request I checked out my ability order, and as far as I can see it goes Q,W,E,Q,Q,R for the first six levels on the first page. Unless it is hidden somewhere specific in my guide I cannot see it anywhere, sorry.
Let me know if you know where about on my guide it is if you can.

Thanks,
- Wise Owl

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I mean the first 5 points in 5, sorry.
By level 8 it'd force you to put a point in either W or E and Q would be unavailable to be levelled, it's a mechanic to stop you from quickly maxing a single ability and had me really conmfused as to what to level because the guide was saying "level Q" but I couldn't

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Thank you for pointing that out, I'd forgot about that obscure little rule when I designed the levels!

All fixed now in my guide hopefully, thanks again for spotting that.

- Wise Owl

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Hello :]

I just wanted to point out that you have Nimbus Cloak before they changed the speed buff to correlate to summoner spells not ultimate activation.

Love the Guide

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Hey there!

Thanks for the tip, got it fixed up now.

Thanks,

- Wise Owl

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When you take Summon Aery, you can activate Athene's Unholy Grail and Ardent Censor with your E and your Ultimate. I've been having lots of success with these two items. Are they worth using or have I just been getting lucky?

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Hi there,

I remember when Summon Aery first came out I had the same idea and incorporated both items into my build. After many patch notes and suggestions I gradually changed from the healing and protecting approach to a more damage-orientated item build. Overall I like to think my guide has a balanced approach to damage and supporting so that it accommodates most play styles. In brief, your idea is fantastic if it's working for you, I found great success with those items for a while. So it's definitely worth it, keep using Zilean how you like!

Thanks for asking,

- Wise Owl

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Hi @ Wise Owl;

Is just wanted to let you know that there's a minor update you need to make on your guide.
In the build with your items there's a note at the part of the 'early items' that says "Tear of the Goddess for that mana. Boots with the runes we take will be available after 10 minutes."
So I am assuming you had in your runes at some point, but right now it isn't in there.
I know it is a very very small think but I just wanted to let you know to improve your guide even more! ^^

As always, big fan of your guide, keep up the amazing work!

~ Kaji ~

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Hi Kaji,

Thanks for letting me know about that, I did indeed have Magical Footwear at one point. I never would have noticed the mistake so thank you for bringing that up!

Thanks again and I'm glad you're keeping an eye on my guide,

- Wise Owl

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7 times W and 3 times E? Interessting tactic.

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Oops, thanks for pointing that out.
- Wise Owl

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Haha, no problem :3

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Hello there :) I've read some of your comments and you seem like a genuinely good person. We need more people like you in the League community!

I have a few questions for you. Is Tear of the Goddess really necessary when you have Presence of Mind? I used to build tear all the time, until I realized that I could put that 850g to use and accelerate my build as a whole. The item, without any stacks, is merely 45.75% gold efficient (courtesy http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Tear_of_the_Goddess) which makes the early game even harder since Tear is generally a scaling item. As long as you can manage mana through the laning phase, you'll be fine since in team fights presence of mind restores a ridiculous amount of mana. Also if you are interested in highly in depth/ statistical analysis I would definitely check out http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zilean

Next, why do you complete Remnant of the Watchers so early? All it gives you is +15 ap, +200 health and an extra ward slot for 950 gold. That's a little expensive in my opinion and, again, that gold could be used better elsewhere. I personally rarely finish that item, unless the game runs long or I need the extra ward slot.

Anyways, fantastic guide! I agree with you too that F is for Flash ;)
Have a great day,
-Mike

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Hi CaptianMike,

Thanks for the comment and I'm very flattered by your compliment :) League certainly needs more people that can be genuine, or at least less toxic, but that's a discussion for another time. :P

To answer your questions, I'll begin with the easier one first. Remnant of the Watchers you asked about, and this has prompted me to inquire about what I've missed this last season of patch notes! I honestly was used to the old system where did not give you wards, until it changed way back in 8.2. Somehow I missed this, as it was the only thing that made upgrading to (what used to be) Eye/Remnant of the Watchers worth it. Clearly you've pointed out the minuscule benefits you now get for upgrading from Frostfang to Remnant of the Watchers. So I certainly will take your advice on this question and delay to a later stage of the build. Thanks for pointing that out!

Onto your second query. This one is quite more difficult to answer for me as and have been the absolute core of my build since the start. With the in-depth analysis you certainly have compelling points. When I started off as Zilean (over two and half years ago) I struggled with mana often in the laning phase, though that could have been just lack of practice or poor itemisation.

I used to absolutely guarantee that I would not run out of mana the rest of the game. Zilean's high level 18 mana pool also helped add more AP to him with the passive "Awe". But your case of accelerating the entire build without wasting gold on Tear is really compelling honestly. I will have to do more research, but what I will do over the next week is create a second build without , see how that goes and then even maybe integrate it into the main build as time goes on. Check up on my guide in a while and I will be happy to take any more questions or queries on my main and (coming soon) new Tear-less build.

I want to say thanks again for the questions, they certainly have given me something to think about and I am always willing to receive critical thinking, especially if it can improve the guide and the Zilean community as a whole.

F is truly for flash, my fellow Chronokeeper.
Have a great day as well!

- Wise Owl

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