Shaco and Hiemerdinger

[quote=EnmaDaiO]So basically this is how I look at Shaco and Heimerdinger now after the patch. They used to be the best champions (one of the best, shaco as a ganker dps and heimer as a godly pusher) in LoL. But after the patch i look at them and they are a piece of horse shi*. Every ranked game i played shaco and heimer were always banned (along with soraka and shen). Now..... well not so much. Shaco is still ok, but Heimer (oh man) hes sh*t. 2 Turrets? Ok maybe 2 turrets is a good idea BUT IF YOUR NOT GONNA BUFF THOSE turrets THEN WTF huge nerf in the a$$. And his thing doenst do damage to turrets? OK WTF heimer is not a great pusher anymore, hes just an average good one..... Basically his rockets are the only good damage..... And shaco b4 this patch his decive was nerfed to 10 seconds.... NOW ITS to 11 WTF are you serious? Two Shiv Poisen doesnt blind..... ok barely any CC now except for his slow..... 20% from the back? GAYYYYYYY... so basically i just want you to anwser are they the good champs they used to be? or are they shi*y and useless.......[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Havent tried them after patch and wont do it intill they fix em...[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]while i agree that they did need a little nerfing, this is down right ridiculous, and will probably be fixed next patch.[/quote]

[quote=Marked4Death]If you really think about it, Shaco is now balanced the way he should be. (And before you flame me, I love shaco, i played him for a long time and even bought his skin). But even while playing shaco, you can see he's OP. Some of the escapes from death i made where just plain stupid, lol. The way he was set up allowed you to play as balls to the wall as you wanted with no consequence because you could EASILY juke anyone and get away. And, without even trying, shaco finishes games with 20+ kills under 8 deaths and 10+ assists. That's pretty OP. They didn't kill him, they just made him so you have to play a little smarter. They didn't reduce his insane damage. As far as hallucinate, i think they wen't a little too far with the nerfing it in half time wise, but o well, it's time to move on.[/quote]

[quote=| Gumy |]The "nerfs" were just balances and the people who were genuinely good with them before should still be after the patch, I play Heimer pretty regularly and still do really well with him, he's just not as easy anymore but you can still put out quite a bit of damage and it's a lot easier to manage two turrets than three, I kind of like that. The damage out put to enemy towers WAS too much and did needed to be nerfed. As for Shaco, well Shaco is still very good at ganking if you know how to use him and are like I said before, genuinely good with his play style. Both can no longer be facerolled to victory, and now actually require some skill to play, I really like that in them, plus you couldn't play them at all in rated and now you can.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/how-to-balance-shacco-rant-276 i agree with this guy on everything ...[/quote]