WHY DO PEOPLE BUILD SONA LIKE AN AP NUKE?

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=SixSonatas] [quote=The_Nameless_Bard] And especially with the changes they made to Sona's Passive, AP with [[Lich bane]] is very good... Sona's [[Aria of perseverance]] has the worst of her AP ratios...everything else she has has at least a 70% AP ratio while it has only a 35% ratio...this makes building her AP much better at healing whether you get a [[Lich Bane]] or not... [/quote] Did you just say that her heal has a bad AP ratio and therefore you WANT to build AP? The only AP item I would get on her is RoA and that's just mainly for the mana and survivability. [/quote] No, I meant her other stuff has good AP ratios so you should be building some AP...her heals being better because of it is just a bonus[/quote]

[quote=Booshido][quote=KinkyPinkCuffs] That is common sense...35% of no AP is, well, 0 while 35% of 400 AP is 140... [/quote] yea 400ap, so like [[rabadon's deathcap]] and [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[rod of ages]] is like 420 ap, now you need to make 30% cdr while having defence items. full ap is not worth it, 1 or 2 items if you doing amazing, other then that, early mid game support > late game ap/defence[/quote]

[quote=KinkyPinkCuffs][quote=Booshido] yea 400ap, so like [[rabadon's deathcap]] and [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[rod of ages]] is like 420 ap, now you need to make 30% cdr while having defence items. full ap is not worth it, 1 or 2 items if you doing amazing, other then that, early mid game support > late game ap/defence [/quote] 400 was a random number...[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=KinkyPinkCuffs] [quote=Booshido] yea 400ap, so like [[rabadon's deathcap]] and [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[rod of ages]] is like 420 ap, now you need to make 30% cdr while having defence items. full ap is not worth it, 1 or 2 items if you doing amazing, other then that, early mid game support > late game ap/defence [/quote] 400 was a random number... [/quote] How much AP you get is your own choice...if I wanna get 500 AP so I can nuke people down with my ult that's still perfectly viable...[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas][quote=Booshido] [quote=KinkyPinkCuffs] That is common sense...35% of no AP is, well, 0 while 35% of 400 AP is 140... [/quote] yea 400ap, so like [[rabadon's deathcap]] and [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[rod of ages]] is like 420 ap, now you need to make 30% cdr while having defence items. full ap is not worth it, 1 or 2 items if you doing amazing, other then that, early mid game support > late game ap/defence [/quote] Lol Boosh, so agree. Deathcap Hourglass RoA is way too expensive for Sona to afford. I mean, unless your team's ONLY AP carry is Sona, AP on her is almost worthless. She gets what, a "nuke" that hits 2 closest targets (aka tanks, because you'll be in the back, and therefore your Q does like 0 damage anyway?), a speed boost that isn't affected by AP, a heal that is horribly affected by AP, and a line nuke with 0.8 scaling that won't hit more than 2, 3 people in a coordinated team? So what, have a Soraka Sona lane bottom so Sona can take all the last hits while Soraka is the actual support? Why not have Soraka support Alistar or something? Really, you play Sona as an AP carry and you'll fail, and if you build that much AP on her as a support, you'll fail almost just as bad.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]AP Nuke Sona actually requires effort...as I stated earlier...Sona is good at supporting, but AP Sona is just as good at other things and requires actual skill to play...everything you do falls short with a support build, you can't heal any significant amount, you certainly can't deal damage...Sona is more like Nidalee than Soraka in the end: They both have a heal that is sort of meh, and a utility ability that is useful, but everything else they have is based entirely on how much AP they build...why not play into that?[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] AP Nuke Sona actually requires effort...as I stated earlier...Sona is good at supporting, but AP Sona is just as good at other things and requires actual skill to play...everything you do falls short with a support build, you can't heal any significant amount, you certainly can't deal damage...Sona is more like Nidalee than Soraka in the end: They both have a heal that is sort of meh, and a utility ability that is useful, but everything else they have is based entirely on how much AP they build...why not play into that? [/quote] I don't think you understand the difference between a 1.25 scaling heal and a .35 scaling heal. I also don't think you understand that Nidalee has mobility while Sona doesn't. Oh, and by the way, AP Nuke Sona, as I explained, can't pick targets, and her Q will be useless, because it will hit tanks, because if you position yourself to Q enemy carries, you are in a bad position. Your E doesn't scale at all, and your W scales horribly. Requires skill to play? Doesn't matter how much skill you have, you're going to be a fail AP carry. I will end the argument there.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Nidalee was a bad example I admit, but she doesn't resemble Soraka or really any other support champion in ANY WAY other than having a healing ability either (other than maybe Karma). What you're saying right now proves my point. Sona cannot pick her targets, Lichbane gives her the mobility to move into a better position, requiring you to actually think about placement. Her ult is difficult to pull off also, again requiring [b]actual skill[/b] to place effectively. But once you get good at positioning and placing you can do so much more than support Sona...[/quote]

[quote=KinkyPinkCuffs][quote=SixSonatas] [quote=Booshido] [quote=KinkyPinkCuffs] That is common sense...35% of no AP is, well, 0 while 35% of 400 AP is 140... [/quote] yea 400ap, so like [[rabadon's deathcap]] and [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[rod of ages]] is like 420 ap, now you need to make 30% cdr while having defence items. full ap is not worth it, 1 or 2 items if you doing amazing, other then that, early mid game support > late game ap/defence [/quote] Lol Boosh, so agree. Deathcap Hourglass RoA is way too expensive for Sona to afford. I mean, unless your team's ONLY AP carry is Sona, AP on her is almost worthless. She gets what, a "nuke" that hits 2 closest targets (aka tanks, because you'll be in the back, and therefore your Q does like 0 damage anyway?), a speed boost that isn't affected by AP, a heal that is horribly affected by AP, and a line nuke with 0.8 scaling that won't hit more than 2, 3 people in a coordinated team? So what, have a Soraka Sona lane bottom so Sona can take all the last hits while Soraka is the actual support? Why not have Soraka support Alistar or something? Really, you play Sona as an AP carry and you'll fail, and if you build that much AP on her as a support, you'll fail almost just as bad. [/quote] I love how you people will shutdown ideas that lots of people have made work very well just because they're not your own... Support Sona can't heal crap, can't deal any damage, can't really do anything but stand around...and even then as said before she can't heal crap so as soon as everyone gets low health your team will have to leave because the support can't really support their push...woo for uselessness[/quote]

[quote=SixSonatas]Your "actual skill" assumes that no one else has "actual skill". Because if they let a Sona position herself in that kind of advantageous position and NOT do anything about it, there's something wrong. Sona is simply too squishy and not enough burst to be played as an AP carry; not saying it doesn't work, since I've played her that way before too, but it's just not optimal.[/quote]