Udyr hasn't stopped being viable in the jungle.
Pros-
Strong suprise ganks
Deceptively tanky with levels in turtle stance
One of the faster Junglers (imo level 5 around 5 minutes is doable)
Solid damage output
Works in lanes due to change in mana costs
Cons-
Most kiteable melee in the game
Bear Stance+Ghost still means champs with Flash win.
Makes Olaf look better at ganking (Undertow from a bush > RARARAR giant man with a bear head trying to get in melee range to stun you))
Possible solution? Buff the earlier ranks of speed from bear stance or increase the stun duration so it's 2 seconds at all levels of bear stance. It would make his gank attempts a little more worth it. 2 seconds of damage might mean the difference between risking a tower dive or running back to the forest.
Pros-
Strong suprise ganks
Deceptively tanky with levels in turtle stance
One of the faster Junglers (imo level 5 around 5 minutes is doable)
Solid damage output
Works in lanes due to change in mana costs
Cons-
Most kiteable melee in the game
Bear Stance+Ghost still means champs with Flash win.
Makes Olaf look better at ganking (Undertow from a bush > RARARAR giant man with a bear head trying to get in melee range to stun you))
Possible solution? Buff the earlier ranks of speed from bear stance or increase the stun duration so it's 2 seconds at all levels of bear stance. It would make his gank attempts a little more worth it. 2 seconds of damage might mean the difference between risking a tower dive or running back to the forest.
I'm of the opinion that a jungler is a champ that is meant to preform 4 tasks. Those 4 tasks being:
-Ganks
-Global team gold gain (dragon/baron)
-Relieve pressure
-Increase a team's over all performance by allowing 3 champs to benefit from max EXP gain.
Udyr can achieve all of those goals rather effectively when played well. But his weakness is that "The Ideal Chase Champ", still can't catch people. I once had to chase a Jax for ~45 seconds to FINALLY kill him. He just ran around in a big circle I was spamming between bear and tiger stances, if I hadn't had blue buff going for a majority of the chase I would have oomed.
He doesn't really need a gap closer per say he just needs a more effective bear stance Imo.
-Ganks
-Global team gold gain (dragon/baron)
-Relieve pressure
-Increase a team's over all performance by allowing 3 champs to benefit from max EXP gain.
Udyr can achieve all of those goals rather effectively when played well. But his weakness is that "The Ideal Chase Champ", still can't catch people. I once had to chase a Jax for ~45 seconds to FINALLY kill him. He just ran around in a big circle I was spamming between bear and tiger stances, if I hadn't had blue buff going for a majority of the chase I would have oomed.
He doesn't really need a gap closer per say he just needs a more effective bear stance Imo.
Why switching between Bear and Tiger? Just to keep the dodge chance up? That really doesn't matter in a chase.
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Udyr's patch didn't really change much, the only thing that did is Turtle is 1000x better now, especially at early levels. Tiger is still better then Phoenix imo, does tons more damage...his main problem is that he has no gap closer, and you pretty much either have to choose no smite (which is a bad idea), no ghost (helps on ganks tons, by the time they react your there), or flash (also helps in ganks and chasing, when you have to get out of somewhere, they flash over a wall etc). It would be SUPER helpful if they gave him a pounce esque skill or just lowered his cdr's a bit/increased bear speed early.
Nighthawk wrote:
Udyr's patch didn't really change much, the only thing that did is Turtle is 1000x better now, especially at early levels.
...Totally clueless..
Turtle's heal got NERFED...
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If he has a great early game, he snowballs really well. If not, he becomes more assassin-y. By that I mean, search and kill one target. Not insane amounts of burst. Even though he does to that.
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