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Well, AP Annie should be mid, so you shouldn't be having troubles with laning partners there ;)
AD Ashe should be bot with a support. If they auto-attack, warn them once. If they continue to do so, simply last hit. Steal the creeps they are auto-attacking. It'll piss them off, and they might start to try to last hit just so you don't get them (not optimal, but better than them auto-attacking).
Lane Amumu isn't great, but I guess you make do with what you have. You could jungle without the appropriate runes, considering Amumu is such a good jungler with his AoE damage. Give it a few practice runs in custom games to see if it'll work without the runes.
For a support, I'd suggest Sona or Soraka.
AD Ashe should be bot with a support. If they auto-attack, warn them once. If they continue to do so, simply last hit. Steal the creeps they are auto-attacking. It'll piss them off, and they might start to try to last hit just so you don't get them (not optimal, but better than them auto-attacking).
Lane Amumu isn't great, but I guess you make do with what you have. You could jungle without the appropriate runes, considering Amumu is such a good jungler with his AoE damage. Give it a few practice runs in custom games to see if it'll work without the runes.
For a support, I'd suggest Sona or Soraka.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Most of the time, I can't last hit, or can only seldomly because my allies are using aoes to clear creep as fast as they can. Not only does this steal a lot of the creep kills I was trying for, but kills several at a time, then pushes right up to a tower long before you can realistically tower dive, and you're then you CAN'T last hit at all. I end up way, way gold starved a lot of the time. I try to explain that they're helping the enemy team by doing this, but, well, you try explaining why attacking is a bad move in a war game, people just won't listen :(
As for taking mid, someone runs right there every time and refuses to move, regardless if they're good there or not. I've had amumu steal mid from me :(. I can usually get there first, but if someone comes up and refuses to move, I'm going to go to another lane where I'm going to be useful. I might get mid once every 10 games.
In addition, sometimes I'll find that people will just start trying to gank from level 1 and end up dying a lot, feeding the other team and helping their opponents in lane. When something like this happens, I'm just left out to dry, it doesn't seem there's anything I can do :(
As for jungle amumu, I've tried; allot. You just can't kill blue without help (and people won't help) at level one with an incomplete mastery tree (yes even with smite) and/or runes. I've tried alternate routes, for example, wolves>wraiths>double golum>blue... but since you don't start out with the blue buff, you have to end up bping before you hit double golum or you'll run out of mana during the fight and die. You actually end up behidn in leveling by a bit, and I find that when I do try to jungle, the guy in top lane just dives their team, dies, and we lose towers really fast.
It just seems like there's nothing I can do most of the time, and I'm hoping for some tips to gain control of the game :( I ask nicely all the time, try to explain my logic, but everyone just wants to attack and try to gank all the time, regardless of what the strong strategy would be.
As for taking mid, someone runs right there every time and refuses to move, regardless if they're good there or not. I've had amumu steal mid from me :(. I can usually get there first, but if someone comes up and refuses to move, I'm going to go to another lane where I'm going to be useful. I might get mid once every 10 games.
In addition, sometimes I'll find that people will just start trying to gank from level 1 and end up dying a lot, feeding the other team and helping their opponents in lane. When something like this happens, I'm just left out to dry, it doesn't seem there's anything I can do :(
As for jungle amumu, I've tried; allot. You just can't kill blue without help (and people won't help) at level one with an incomplete mastery tree (yes even with smite) and/or runes. I've tried alternate routes, for example, wolves>wraiths>double golum>blue... but since you don't start out with the blue buff, you have to end up bping before you hit double golum or you'll run out of mana during the fight and die. You actually end up behidn in leveling by a bit, and I find that when I do try to jungle, the guy in top lane just dives their team, dies, and we lose towers really fast.
It just seems like there's nothing I can do most of the time, and I'm hoping for some tips to gain control of the game :( I ask nicely all the time, try to explain my logic, but everyone just wants to attack and try to gank all the time, regardless of what the strong strategy would be.
Find a different jungler. Amumu isn't able to take game tempo due to most of his damage relying on his team being around him. Nocturne, Warwick, Master Yi, Udyr, just to name a few are champions that can jungle and gank while taking down characters without the help of teammates and at the same time have the tools to take control of the tempo of the game. Another big part of jungling apart from ganking well is jungle awareness. You NEEEEED to have your jungle buff timings down and also soloing dragon (with worse opponents, you should have no problem just taking dragon if you're able to/feel like it by your self) will help the entire team.
For example: One time I played Jungle Yi where I made no part in large engagement (not playing in team fights, which also implies that I only 1v1'd people and/or ganked people for any kills/assists), backdoored, and took buffs and dragon. It's ridiculously easy to get farmed when the enemy team has no idea what map awareness is (is Yi taking dragon? Why is he so fed when he's only 1/0/2?) and when you mechanically have your own fundamentals down.
For example: One time I played Jungle Yi where I made no part in large engagement (not playing in team fights, which also implies that I only 1v1'd people and/or ganked people for any kills/assists), backdoored, and took buffs and dragon. It's ridiculously easy to get farmed when the enemy team has no idea what map awareness is (is Yi taking dragon? Why is he so fed when he's only 1/0/2?) and when you mechanically have your own fundamentals down.
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So, you're saying I should only be playing a jungler until I get better teammates? The reason I wanted to go with amumu is that I could play the tank role at the end of the game and be more useful (9/10 of the time everyone is just going to lock in their favorite carry at the beginning, so I feel forced to play a tank, even if it doesn't really help most of the time)while still being able to jungle. You're right that right now I can't control the pace of the game.
Is it better to just play a jungler and really be able to control the game and go with a bad team comp (eg no tank or no support), or stick with a solid comp? If going with someone who isn't a jungler, how do I deal with my previous issues?
Is it better to just play a jungler and really be able to control the game and go with a bad team comp (eg no tank or no support), or stick with a solid comp? If going with someone who isn't a jungler, how do I deal with my previous issues?
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So, you're saying I should only be playing a jungler until I get better teammates? The reason I wanted to go with amumu is that I could play the tank role at the end of the game and be more useful (9/10 of the time everyone is just going to lock in their favorite carry at the beginning, so I feel forced to play a tank, even if it doesn't really help most of the time)while still being able to jungle. You're right that right now I can't control the pace of the game.
Is it better to just play a jungler and really be able to control the game and go with a bad team comp (eg no tank or no support), or stick with a solid comp? If going with someone who isn't a jungler, how do I deal with my previous issues?
Warwick is a good jungler because he can take control of the jungle very well and is played as a tanky character while still being able to do a LOT of damage. That's just to rebut your statement of being able to be more useful late game as a tank.
It's easier to do well and control the game as a jungler but by all means that isn't the only way. If you're forced with a laning partner make sure you have another main character that can still impact the game without reliance on your teammates. I.E. Playing a tank with your lanemate doesn't guarantee lane dominance because you're not doing most of the damage but if you're playing a carry with a lot of front loaded damage or extremely good damage over time and don't need to rely on your teammate to do damage, you're going to be able to dominate your lane while not needing any extra help.
An example of this is recently I played a Tristana game. Now, my computer is **** so I'm playing at ~5FPS but I'm managing to sort of get some last hits. I dominate the lane without the help of my teammate (I had a **** *** Galio as a teammate) by harassing the enemy down to a point where I decided that I was able to burst them down with a Rocket Jump->Ult->Ignite->Auto attack DPS combo and I ended the game 10/2.
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iNspiRe21 wrote:
What I'm saying is; is it worth playing someone who can control the game at the expense of not having a balanced team (i.e 5 carries)?
Depends on your confidence of the character. If you know you can completely own your lane as someone and can carry these bad players who are throwing their ashe ults across the map trying to take down turrets, then yes.
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When presented with these kind of teammates, how can you best allocate your time to learn solid play most efficiently? I'm currently practicing with Amumu for tanking (laning build until I have the glyphs to jungle), AP Annie, AD Ashe, and currently haven't started practicing a support role yet, if it matters at all. Thanks,yo ^^