Riot on OP/UP champions

[quote=Temzilla][quote=3pthorror] OP: corki, ashe, tf, gp, malz, rumble, alistar, soraka, annie, WW, sona, jarvan UP:Heimer, shaco, morgana, Twitch, urgot, trynd, veigar, shen, sivir, olaf, malphite, leblanc, kennen, kogmaw, Kayle, Kat, Karma, evelyn, ezreal, mundo,galio, pantheon, renekton [/quote] OH GOD if they buff Urgot D: Heimer, Veigar, kog'maw, Pantheon, and Urgot are most likely not UP, they are very much viable in low and high elo. Kog'Maw requires excellent positioning though.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=3pthorror] OP: corki, ashe, tf, gp, malz, rumble, alistar, soraka, annie, WW, sona, jarvan UP:Heimer, shaco, morgana, Twitch, urgot, trynd, veigar, shen, sivir, olaf, malphite, leblanc, kennen, kogmaw, Kayle, Kat, Karma, evelyn, ezreal, mundo,galio, pantheon, renekton [/quote] I think kayle is balanced. At mid - high elo she does fine.[/quote]

[quote=Bloofyre]Agree. There are some top Kayle guides on the site *starts whistling* and many of them are quite different, but all hit on some good points on how to play her. Definitely balanced. UP early game, but there is also a guide to remedy that from what a little elf has told me... *queue more whistling*[/quote]

[quote=3pthorror]I agree with you guys about kayle, but I was trying to fill the 23 so who do u think is UP if kayle and the others isnt?????? dont just say she is balanced lol[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]How in the fuck is Kat UP? Good Kat = GG[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] How in the fuck is Kat UP? Good Kat = GG [/quote] Use one CC and she does like no damage... You could say "A good Kat can avoid CC!" but a good team will save one for her.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Joobieo] [quote=JunSupport] [color=#ffff00][b]Overpowered:[/b][/color] [[Annie]], [[Corki]], [[Jarvan]], [[Jax]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Nidalee]], [[Singed]], [[Twisted Fate]], [[Udyr]], [[Warwick]], [[Yorick]] Notes:[list] [*] Jax was indicated as having an OP late-game by Ezreal. [*] Singed - Insane survivability [*] Udyr and WW - Their ridiculous sustain [*] Yorick for his late game ... [*] Lee Sin, was based on my own judgment. He has amazing ratios, sustain, and gap closers/escapes. He has an extremely high skill cap despite being fairly easy to play. I think he could be beastly in the right hands. [/list] [color=#00ffff][b]Underpowered: [/b][/color] [[Anivia]], [[Evelynn]], [[Ezreal]], [[Galio]], [[Garen]], [[Heimerdinger]], [[Karma]], [[Kennen]], [[Leona]], [[Lux]], [[Malphite]], [[Miss Fortune]], [[Morgana]], [[Nunu]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rammus]], [[Ryze]], [[Shen]], [[Sion]], [[Taric]], [[Teemo]], [[Twitch]], [[Urgot]]. Notes:[list] [*] Anivia - Mana Costs [*] Garen lacks a late game. [*] Karma - Mantras not enough to compensate for a lack of Ult. [*] Kennen's stun was nerfed, (edit) and the Zhonya's Ring change really hurt his item-build viability. [*] Leona and Shen both have ignorable damage late game. (Shen sucks early game too) [*] Lux and Morgana - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [*] Malphite is in the same pot as Galio. He can only initiate with his Ult, and can't do much else after. [*] MF's Ult recognized as needing buffs [*] Nunu - Nerfed early game with a bad late game [*] Ryze can't perform as a carry despite his rework. (I think he needs to be able to push, and needs a better ultimate; more utility or something) [*] Sion has a broken design. [*] Taric, on the backburner for a buff/rework. [*] Teemo - Only strong point is Shrooms after his kit tweaks, and Oracles wreck that. [*] Urgot - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [/list] [/quote] I'm going to say Ryze can carry , but the issue is his farming ability early game is weak for a carry. If hes not farmed or fed by late game he falls off BUT his " Snare " in team fight mode is good. I would consider him balanced if anything at the moment. Also his Aoe ult is impressive within a team with good CC. Taric - Hes UP only because I feel his ult puts him down that path. People dig Sona / Soraka / Janna because their ults are game changers Tarics on the other hand doesn't allow that ability, if your caught off guard with Janna you can ult and push the whole team back with Taric if you ult late or not on time your wasting a ton of mana or your dead. ( Not always though ) [/quote] Suggested runes to make Ryze ( A champ I have a lot of experience with lately for the lols) Mpen Marks Flat Mana or Mana Per level seals Flat Mana or Mana per level Glyphs Flat mana Quints...Grab a mana crystal and health or mana potions....Farm farm farm farm....His Q is on like a 2-3 second CD. It's solid for last hitting. You just need the mana. Tear and Catalyst then get another mana crystal for Glacial shroud....Tada Tank MDPS Ryze. Or that is how I build him. He does need a bit more punch from his ulti. All though the spell vamp u get from it is amazing.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=Joobieo] [quote=JunSupport] [color=#ffff00][b]Overpowered:[/b][/color] [[Annie]], [[Corki]], [[Jarvan]], [[Jax]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Nidalee]], [[Singed]], [[Twisted Fate]], [[Udyr]], [[Warwick]], [[Yorick]] Notes:[list] [*] Jax was indicated as having an OP late-game by Ezreal. [*] Singed - Insane survivability [*] Udyr and WW - Their ridiculous sustain [*] Yorick for his late game ... [*] Lee Sin, was based on my own judgment. He has amazing ratios, sustain, and gap closers/escapes. He has an extremely high skill cap despite being fairly easy to play. I think he could be beastly in the right hands. [/list] [color=#00ffff][b]Underpowered: [/b][/color] [[Anivia]], [[Evelynn]], [[Ezreal]], [[Galio]], [[Garen]], [[Heimerdinger]], [[Karma]], [[Kennen]], [[Leona]], [[Lux]], [[Malphite]], [[Miss Fortune]], [[Morgana]], [[Nunu]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rammus]], [[Ryze]], [[Shen]], [[Sion]], [[Taric]], [[Teemo]], [[Twitch]], [[Urgot]]. Notes:[list] [*] Anivia - Mana Costs [*] Garen lacks a late game. [*] Karma - Mantras not enough to compensate for a lack of Ult. [*] Kennen's stun was nerfed, (edit) and the Zhonya's Ring change really hurt his item-build viability. [*] Leona and Shen both have ignorable damage late game. (Shen sucks early game too) [*] Lux and Morgana - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [*] Malphite is in the same pot as Galio. He can only initiate with his Ult, and can't do much else after. [*] MF's Ult recognized as needing buffs [*] Nunu - Nerfed early game with a bad late game [*] Ryze can't perform as a carry despite his rework. (I think he needs to be able to push, and needs a better ultimate; more utility or something) [*] Sion has a broken design. [*] Taric, on the backburner for a buff/rework. [*] Teemo - Only strong point is Shrooms after his kit tweaks, and Oracles wreck that. [*] Urgot - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [/list] [/quote] I'm going to say Ryze can carry , but the issue is his farming ability early game is weak for a carry. If hes not farmed or fed by late game he falls off BUT his " Snare " in team fight mode is good. I would consider him balanced if anything at the moment. Also his Aoe ult is impressive within a team with good CC. Taric - Hes UP only because I feel his ult puts him down that path. People dig Sona / Soraka / Janna because their ults are game changers Tarics on the other hand doesn't allow that ability, if your caught off guard with Janna you can ult and push the whole team back with Taric if you ult late or not on time your wasting a ton of mana or your dead. ( Not always though ) [/quote] Suggested runes to make Ryze ( A champ I have a lot of experience with lately for the lols) Mpen Marks Flat Mana or Mana Per level seals Flat Mana or Mana per level Glyphs Flat mana Quints...Grab a mana crystal and health or mana potions....Farm farm farm farm....His Q is on like a 2-3 second CD. It's solid for last hitting. You just need the mana. Tear and Catalyst then get another mana crystal for Glacial shroud....Tada Tank MDPS Ryze. Or that is how I build him. He does need a bit more punch from his ulti. All though the spell vamp u get from it is amazing. [/quote] I build him tanky as well, just the problem is if hes not in a solo lane and doesn't get the farm he needs hes hard to carry mid game at all , until late game. Granted his Q is on short cooldown but he eats up mana like a pro.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Xenasis] [quote=The_Nameless_Bard] How in the fuck is Kat UP? Good Kat = GG [/quote] Use one CC and she does like no damage... You could say "A good Kat can avoid CC!" but a good team will save one for her. [/quote] IDK how true that is....12/1/12 with Kat today against a WW/Amumu/Alistar/Tristana/Morganna....My team well let us say the Spice Girls made a come back....Ashe/Kat/Janna/Caitlyn/Eve we won quite easily....I mean All I had for the first 20 minutes of the game was a hextech gunblade and merc treads...I was supressed out of my ulti by WW and still shunpo'd him for a quarter of his HP....I mean Kat has nukeage. A little CDR on her +kills or assists and you snowball in team fights...I guess that makes me a great Kat then? Avoided most of their CC, still got a quadra kill with shunpo and bouncing blades?: :P[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Joobieo] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=Joobieo] [quote=JunSupport] [color=#ffff00][b]Overpowered:[/b][/color] [[Annie]], [[Corki]], [[Jarvan]], [[Jax]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Nidalee]], [[Singed]], [[Twisted Fate]], [[Udyr]], [[Warwick]], [[Yorick]] Notes:[list] [*] Jax was indicated as having an OP late-game by Ezreal. [*] Singed - Insane survivability [*] Udyr and WW - Their ridiculous sustain [*] Yorick for his late game ... [*] Lee Sin, was based on my own judgment. He has amazing ratios, sustain, and gap closers/escapes. He has an extremely high skill cap despite being fairly easy to play. I think he could be beastly in the right hands. [/list] [color=#00ffff][b]Underpowered: [/b][/color] [[Anivia]], [[Evelynn]], [[Ezreal]], [[Galio]], [[Garen]], [[Heimerdinger]], [[Karma]], [[Kennen]], [[Leona]], [[Lux]], [[Malphite]], [[Miss Fortune]], [[Morgana]], [[Nunu]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rammus]], [[Ryze]], [[Shen]], [[Sion]], [[Taric]], [[Teemo]], [[Twitch]], [[Urgot]]. Notes:[list] [*] Anivia - Mana Costs [*] Garen lacks a late game. [*] Karma - Mantras not enough to compensate for a lack of Ult. [*] Kennen's stun was nerfed, (edit) and the Zhonya's Ring change really hurt his item-build viability. [*] Leona and Shen both have ignorable damage late game. (Shen sucks early game too) [*] Lux and Morgana - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [*] Malphite is in the same pot as Galio. He can only initiate with his Ult, and can't do much else after. [*] MF's Ult recognized as needing buffs [*] Nunu - Nerfed early game with a bad late game [*] Ryze can't perform as a carry despite his rework. (I think he needs to be able to push, and needs a better ultimate; more utility or something) [*] Sion has a broken design. [*] Taric, on the backburner for a buff/rework. [*] Teemo - Only strong point is Shrooms after his kit tweaks, and Oracles wreck that. [*] Urgot - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [/list] [/quote] I'm going to say Ryze can carry , but the issue is his farming ability early game is weak for a carry. If hes not farmed or fed by late game he falls off BUT his " Snare " in team fight mode is good. I would consider him balanced if anything at the moment. Also his Aoe ult is impressive within a team with good CC. Taric - Hes UP only because I feel his ult puts him down that path. People dig Sona / Soraka / Janna because their ults are game changers Tarics on the other hand doesn't allow that ability, if your caught off guard with Janna you can ult and push the whole team back with Taric if you ult late or not on time your wasting a ton of mana or your dead. ( Not always though ) [/quote] Suggested runes to make Ryze ( A champ I have a lot of experience with lately for the lols) Mpen Marks Flat Mana or Mana Per level seals Flat Mana or Mana per level Glyphs Flat mana Quints...Grab a mana crystal and health or mana potions....Farm farm farm farm....His Q is on like a 2-3 second CD. It's solid for last hitting. You just need the mana. Tear and Catalyst then get another mana crystal for Glacial shroud....Tada Tank MDPS Ryze. Or that is how I build him. He does need a bit more punch from his ulti. All though the spell vamp u get from it is amazing. [/quote] I build him tanky as well, just the problem is if hes not in a solo lane and doesn't get the farm he needs hes hard to carry mid game at all , until late game. Granted his Q is on short cooldown but he eats up mana like a pro. [/quote] Which is why you rush items like Tear and Glacial shroud. IDK I've typically never had problems with his mana. I just sit there and harass the opposing laner indefinately with Overload. Most of the time they are too dumb and sick around herp derp Rune Prison+Overload and ignite bubai :P But he can be a mana muncher....Considering he is a mana damage champ now...His stupid little bouncy ball of doom is pathetic...Even if it is meant to reduce MR I mean Jarvan's freaking Lance will quarter health someone and reduce their armor...Imbalanced? I think yes...Plus it's the only ability that he has that scales with AP and it's trash makes it only worth 1 point at level 5.[/quote]