Need Mentor For Jungling

[quote=Calibern]Hi I feel like my jungling is weak (actually I find it pitiful), because I always get more death than my kills and assists combined. The only junglers I own are[[Xin zhao]], [[Jarvan IV]], [[Udyr]], [[Olaf]] and [[amumu]]. I would prefer to jungle [[Udyr]], or [[Xin zhao]]. I am lv 30, and have a rune page suitable for a jungler (Arm pen reds, and quints, armor per lv seals, and magic res per lv seals). I have skype, and can go download vent if needed. I play mostly during weekends, and a couple matches during weekdays. If interested leave message below and send friend request in game. I would like to thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Though I play on EU, I can answer a few questions for you! What routes do you take? What skill orders do you take? What starting items do you take? I can hopefully give you some tips from there :)[/quote]

[quote=RamenL]Add me RamenL[/quote]

[quote=Calibern]My route depends on who I'm playing. On Udyr I take cloth armor and 5 health pots, or cloth armor 1 ward and 2 health pots. I then try to get boots, and madred razor. I take qwqewqqeqwewewerrr for skills. I do Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Mini Golems > Red, and gank but ganking doesn't work out that well. On Xin i take a vamperic scepter, and try to get my boots, and wriggles. I go qwweereeewrwwqqrqq for skills. I go Mini Golems > Wraiths > Wolves > Blue > Red, and then I try to gank.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Not sure why you're playing Tiger Udyr.... Pheonix GREATLY outclasses Tiger. Take - R > W > R > E from 1-4 Then R > W > Q > E Same route as you were doing, and that should work well. Your skill order for Xin is strange, to say the least. I'd recommend - QWQE Or QEWE Or QEWQ You shouldn't be getting so many points in W so early! It should always be maxed last. Q or E should come first, E for laning and Q for jungling, imo, with the other maxed second. I go for the same route myself on Xin. Do you go back to base after blue?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Xenasis] Not sure why you're playing Tiger Udyr.... Pheonix GREATLY outclasses Tiger. [/quote] Tiger is better for "sub-optimal" runesets. I.E. not all AS runes or solo queue games where you can't rely on the leash to make up for lack of runes.[/quote]

[quote=Calibern]I like tiger udyr because it lets me preload it before ganks,but i'll try phoenix in my next match. I go to base before blue buff on Xin. I get 2 in w so I can get more attack speed. Your suppose to max out w second, but i'll try maxing my e after q. Thank you for advice.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Even without AS runes, Pheonix is faster, Lugignaf! I don't see why you'd preload it - shouldn't you stun them with Bear first? W is stupid to max second imo, it gives you like 5% extra AS per rank (iirc 10% when activated - maybe I'm wrong on that though) compared to the 15 AD on your Q. 15 AD costs 415 gold, and it's 410 gold for 15% AS! E should always be maxed first or second, too.[/quote]

[quote=Calibern]I preload tiger so I can switch to bear with tiger DoT ready to go. So if I switch to bear stance hit them they are stunned and take damage from my tiger. Damage from Q isn't always cheaper if you look at E utility. It has a dash and 1.5sec slow which increases by 5%, and decreases cooldown every rank. When you combine that with red buff very few people can escape. Plus you don't always get all 3 hits off from three talon strike. Every good Xin player knows to max w second because it refreshes cooldown. The damage buff is only for 3 hits, where as the attack speed bonus is permanent. maxing w allows you to get 3 talon strike off faster, and refresh cooldown on all of your skills.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]The refreshing cooldowns part is attained at rank 1. E is extremely good and should be maxed first or second, no doubt about that. Though your Q is only for 3 hits, do you really get off THAT may more attacks when you're chasing someone down in a gank anyway for extra AS to be more useful than extra AD?[/quote]