How to not lose your lane

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah but flat AP's would make a big difference. I'd still take AP of some sort.[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]tbh you can even counterbuild in midlane. I mean getting early boots to dodge skillshots, building several doranrings to survive burst, getting catalyst/hextech for better sustain. Those are only some examples but even on aps the core is not always the same! on botlane there is not that many choices (the main ones being wriggles bloodthirster i-edge) but there still is some counterbuilding w/ buying soem dorans, pots etc. greez[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]I use MR blues on every champion in the game except for Soraka, who i use flat CDR blues on. And AtS junglers, who i usually rush wit's end on, and use AtS blues. Armor yellows are only replaced by Health/level on my "AP vs AP" page, and by Mana/5 flat on my "AP Mana/AD Mana" pages. As an aside on runes, I have 9 rune pages that can support 90% of all champions in the game. Page for AD carry Page for AD that does magic damage Page for AD with no ratios Page for AD with mana problems (Yorick) Page for AP with mana problems Page for AP with no AP Ratios Page for AP versus other AP. Page for AP with CDR blues and ArP reds. Page for AD Junglers. 7 of those pages use MR or MR/lvl blues. [quote=Calibern] What about if your a support, or a mage? You can't just stop everything and just build defense. Your team relies on you to dish out the damage. Late game its obvious to get defense, and if you don't you deserve to be burst down. However it's just not practical to build a cloth armor and 5 health potions as janna or annie. For a tank, or melee dps it is a no brainer, but for others its just plain stupidity. And lets face it who is talon gonna aim at level 2 the beefy rammus, or the very squishy teemo behind rammus? The reason why assassins are so good now is because they are good at countering the current metagame. Its not just about your build its how your team comp is set up. [/quote] Janna that rushes Aegis is a scary Janna.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]I thought "Not being bad" was how you prevented yourself from losing your lane....Since when would any AD/AP carry who is behind in farm/kills etc GIVE UP more offense to build defense and then be useless? That's silly to "counter build" early game, ONE item can be purchased, not several....like Merc Treads to battle a CC heavy bot lane a health item for some fluffy durability. I'm not gonna lane against Ashe and outright build a Sunfire Cape or Ninja Tabi as an opposing ranged AD...That's just counter productive to reaching mid/ end game and actually being able to do something for your team rather than be a worthless meat shield.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] I thought "Not being bad" was how you prevented yourself from losing your lane....Since when would any AD/AP carry who is behind in farm/kills etc GIVE UP more offense to build defense and then be useless? That's silly to "counter build" early game, ONE item can be purchased, not several....like Merc Treads to battle a CC heavy bot lane a health item for some fluffy durability. I'm not gonna lane against Ashe and outright build a Sunfire Cape or Ninja Tabi as an opposing ranged AD...That's just counter productive to reaching mid/ end game and actually being able to do something for your team rather than be a worthless meat shield. [/quote] You CAN build a cloth armor and build it into a Wriggles/Bloodrazor.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Temzilla] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] I thought "Not being bad" was how you prevented yourself from losing your lane....Since when would any AD/AP carry who is behind in farm/kills etc GIVE UP more offense to build defense and then be useless? That's silly to "counter build" early game, ONE item can be purchased, not several....like Merc Treads to battle a CC heavy bot lane a health item for some fluffy durability. I'm not gonna lane against Ashe and outright build a Sunfire Cape or Ninja Tabi as an opposing ranged AD...That's just counter productive to reaching mid/ end game and actually being able to do something for your team rather than be a worthless meat shield. [/quote] You CAN build a cloth armor and build it into a Wriggles/Bloodrazor. [/quote] Or I could not do that. Building Wriggles on a ranged AD champ isn't my style. I mean technically yes I "could" do that but I want to farm up my BF sword with my gold. Not spend it on an item that wins the lane but decreases my overall damage. ESPECIALLY when it's an item that loses its usefulness when we hit the later sessions of mid game. Win the lane or win a teamfight....Hmmm teamfights can lead to pushes. I'll take door number 2. Unless I'm struggling in my lane...Then Wriggles could come in handy.[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] I thought "Not being bad" was how you prevented yourself from losing your lane....Since when would any AD/AP carry who is behind in farm/kills etc GIVE UP more offense to build defense and then be useless? That's silly to "counter build" early game, ONE item can be purchased, not several....like Merc Treads to battle a CC heavy bot lane a health item for some fluffy durability. I'm not gonna lane against Ashe and outright build a Sunfire Cape or Ninja Tabi as an opposing ranged AD...That's just counter productive to reaching mid/ end game and actually being able to do something for your team rather than be a worthless meat shield. [/quote] Well usually winning lane --> winning teamfights. If you are behind, you build wriggles to catch up and surpass the other cary. If you are ahead you simply go for i-edge, bt ,etc. Building an early wriggles IS counterbuilding and it is very effective as high lvl competitive play has proven numerous times. if you say thats not your style, okay but dont say the strategy is invalid without logical reasoning greez sam You CAN build a cloth armor and build it into a Wriggles/Bloodrazor. [/quote] Or I could not do that. Building Wriggles on a ranged AD champ isn't my style. I mean technically yes I "could" do that but I want to farm up my BF sword with my gold. Not spend it on an item that wins the lane but decreases my overall damage. ESPECIALLY when it's an item that loses its usefulness when we hit the later sessions of mid game. Win the lane or win a teamfight....Hmmm teamfights can lead to pushes. I'll take door number 2. Unless I'm struggling in my lane...Then Wriggles could come in handy. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I agree Jeffy, but some games you have no choice. If you're playing Vayne and Janna vrs. Cait and Soraka, You're gonna need the Cloth armor 5 Pots, and you're gonna need the Wriggles as well. It's just necessity. Better to waste a little gold on that item and be able to farm and contest the lane than to be zoned out and lose farm because you're trying to build a big item.[/quote]