Counterpick for Kass.

[quote=Queso][quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Queso] [quote=Darcurse] AP? Only could think of sb like Vlad. Since Kassa´s not only anti-Ap but AP himself any champ that counters harass that is hold back by CD is fine even he´s a caster i guess. [/quote] No, this is just flat out wrong. Vlad spams skills to normally gain an advantage, but against Kassadin you're just helping him charge his E way more often. The silence and sheer damage Kass puts out destroys Vlad. Also the Kass passive magic damage mitigation. [/quote] yeah I guess... it's a pity kass doesn't have mana. OH WAIT What you people seem not to get here is, to beat kass you need either one of these prerogatives: -be able to farm while staying safe from his harrass -outsustain him if people spamming skills was a problem than morg and cassio would be awfull against him. Vlad can outsustain his harrass at early lvls and when kass starts not being mana hungry he's already able to heal any huge kass harrass. [/quote] Morg has a shield that stops his silence and part of the damage. Cassiopeia has a larger range Q than he does, and it speeds her up if she hits him. She also can stun and kill him if he tries to jump in her face. Kassadin Q has 100 more range than Vlad Q. Most Kass I see buy a catalyst, which gives him plenty of mana to purple orb you to the ground. With just a sapphire crystal alone, as long he isn't going crazy he's not gonna run oom. Probably running mana regen seals as well.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]I still say that Gragas is not a bad pick. Long cooldows so you won't load kassas e, a w that matches kassas in additional damage and gives him more armour and mr for taking damage, he has a great great gapcloser/escape and a well placed barrel keeps kassadin from closing in for that q. It hurts more than his q does (just slightly though with base damage but scales better with ap). One of the AP carries I'd match him against. Others are cassa and morg.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]You can't zone Kassadin with Gragas... He might work okay but I doubt he’s any good against Kass.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=RosePhoenix] You can't zone Kassadin with Gragas... He might work okay but I doubt he’s any good against Kass. [/quote] Actually you can, well placed barrels denies him farm to the point of him using q to lasthit instead of harassment. Then you will both outfarm him and outdamage him.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]That's only against bad Kassadin's. Gragas doesn't have enough barrels to prevent him from last hitting every time he can. It might work, but that's only if against worse players. AD carries still counter him hard.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Not saying it is the best counter but it is an ap champ that can face him in lane and at least equal[/quote]

[quote=Searz][h2]AD CARRIES DOES NOT COUNTER HIM ANY MORE THAN GRAGAS DOES.[/h2] Stop being baddies. Please. I've never actually faced a good Gragas so I don't know how he fares against Kass, but I think Kass would win.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Only saw [[Kassadin]] vs [[Caitlyn]] once but Cait pretty much destroyed him in that game (think it was TheRainMan playing Kass). They may not specifically counter him but at least they aren't troubled by his silence and should easily be able to harass or outfarm him, right? * don't call me a baddie, I'm just asking :( *[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Caitlyn and sivir sure do counter him more than gragas does..[/quote]

[quote=Yagamoth]I'd say - most AD work (Needs some form of sustain though) - Sion should work - Heimerdinger works (Kassa has trouble killing Turrets, and if he jumps in with R to harass he gets auto harassed back by the turrets, further Heimers Passive + Philo Stone give an absurd amount of sustain) - Cho'Gath works - Kennen works as soon as he gets revolver - Garen should work - Irelia works - Karma works IF she can get equal farm early game - Sivir works *should* = I have no idea whether it actually does, but it sounds reasonable[/quote]