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Counterpick for Kass.

Creator: Crazy Smurf October 22, 2011 6:04pm
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You pick AD Carries with escape mech's and poke for Kassadin.

1. He's melee - Physical ranged has harassment advantage
2. His passive, Void Stone, reduces magic damage
3. Null Sphere hurts casters
4. He can only cast Force Pulse if people actively spam abilities, which AD carries don't have to do.

This makes champions like Caitlyn, Graves, and Vayne ideal choices.

To shut down Kassadin, you need consistent poke (each of the above 4 have) and an easy escape to respond to his silence while it's still in flight (good reflexes, otherwise, you're screwed either way)

I exclude seemingly good champions like Ezreal, Urgot, Corki, and Tristana because:
Ezreal - Is too skill-shot reliant. Kassadin can just hide behind his minions.
Urgot - Relies on spamming abilities. He's effectively an AD caster that Kassadin can counter well
Corki - Lacks strong poke, since his burst-damage nerfs
Tristana - Lacks harass, and relies on farm too much. She would not have a fun time.



OR You pick the only Caster in the game whose early game is strong enough to tear Kassadin apart, despite his anti-mage capabilities.

LeBlanc - The only champion that can out-lane Leblanc on an even skill level is Urgot, anyone else (unless you're just lower in skill) will get bursted down hard and fast as soon as she hits level6.
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Darcurse wrote:

Cant rly get you Searz. Forcefully denying that every AD will lose to Kass mid, than stating that Cait is different cause her poking has superior range?

Sounds like Kassa's Sphere outranges both Kog and Xerath..
Just for example: Below lvl6 every mid AD using a gap-closer can be pretty mean jumping at him the moment he uses Sphere while his Wave needs ~3 spells to be up again leaving him with no spell to cast and melee range.

Just a little scrap that doesnt fit in your "explanation".

Good players can play PASSIVE until they can beat the living **** out of their opponents.

The only champions who have a chance of winning against Kassadin are those who can eat his harass (tanky with sustain) or outrange him.
AD carries do not outrange him.
Ezreal does with his Q, but that doesn't go through minions, so he can't win against Kass (in most cases). Cait is different because she has CRAZY lane control with her traps and great range on Q and auto attacks.

I have SO MUCH experience as Kassadin, so I'm pretty sure I know what beats him and what doesn't.
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JunSupport wrote:

This makes champions like Caitlyn, Ezreal, Graves, and Vayne ideal.

Cait can win, but I'm pretty certain Kassadin will **** on Vayne and Ezreal. (Ez might have a small chance, but Vayne has none at all)
I've never seen nor played Graves solo, so I don't know about that.

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OR You pick the only Caster in the game whose early game is strong enough to tear Kassadin apart, despite his anti-mage capabilities.

LeBlanc - The only champion that can out-lane Leblanc on an even skill level is Urgot, anyone else (unless you're just lower in skill) will get bursted down hard and fast as soon as she hits level6.

... or Morgana. She beats anyone with magic damage in the lane.
or Cass. Her lane is almost as OP as Morgana's.

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@Searz:

Morgana can beat LeBlanc in lane? Oh please... How often have you seen that match up? I've seen it 3 times only; 2 times, LeBlanc's victory is clear the moment she hits 6, the other, the LeBlanc was an idiot (appeared to be maxing Ethereal chains).

LeBlanc's burst can wipe out over triple Morgana's Black Shield early game.

Cassiopeia... Mmm, I'd be open to that, but Morgana vs LeBlanc is a joke.
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Well the carefully poke argument just means the player isn't playing Corki right. Corki is not carefully poke.

Corki is don't do anything for a while and suddenly HOLY **** THERE'S A CORKI AND HE'S AL OVER ME and then back to doing nothing and then OMFG THIS CORKI WON'T QUIT.

It's like aggressive-burst poking? o_O

I dunno. I think Kas would lose the trades until he has his ult, and then he'd still have to be careful because Corki would have his ult as well. The Corki would have to be intelligently aggressive or else I can conceptualize how he would lose that match up rather easily.

I dunno, not saying Corki wins it or loses it, I can see how either side would win it.

What I am saying is that if the Corki is trying to trade pokes, he's doing it wrong however.
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JunSupport wrote:

Morgana can beat LeBlanc in lane? Oh please... How often have you seen that match up? I've seen it 3 times only; 2 times, LeBlanc's victory is clear the moment she hits 6, the other, the LeBlanc was an idiot (appeared to be maxing Ethereal chains).

LeBlanc's burst can wipe out over triple Morgana's Black Shield early game.

Cassiopeia... Mmm, I'd be open to that, but Morgana vs LeBlanc is a joke.

Erm.. This thread is about counters to Kassadin?
Heh :P



I've got no idea of how most champions would fare against LeBlanc because I almost never see her.
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Searz wrote:


Erm.. This thread is about counters to Kassadin?
Heh :P



I've got no idea of how most champions would fare against LeBlanc because I almost never see her.


Most AP's get destroyed but her early game dmg, but around the level 10 + mark she falls off ( if your still lanning ).
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I use Warwick.

He silences you, but you can just free farm against any kind of poke, and then when he goes in to melee range to farm, you just Q him and hit him a few times.

You win basically all trades, and he has to spam Q pretty hard to farm in order to not get in your range.
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I think all ad carries are a bad choice vs kassa. He outdamages them by far after about level 4-5 and after level 8-ish he will be able to practically two-shot all ad carries.

I think sending in an ad carry to fight kassadin is almost like giving him free kills.
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Anti mage heroes like morgana and leblanc probably have the best shot at him.
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