Taggrin's Solo Queue Tier List

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Right. I feel like this is somewhat of a double patch tier list edit. I was kinda absent from the metagame last patch, and was just worried about the stupid OP champs. A lot of (old) new champs rose from the dust and suddenly they abuse the metagame perfectly and people forgot how to counter them. I'm thinking of Sion and Nasus in particular. On top of that, this patch had some SERIOUS balancing, some of which I felt weren't entirely necessary, but I liked them nonetheless because it allowed a lot of new champs to rise up. -deep breath- Here we go. -exhale- [[sion]] - Lol. Idk where he came from, but holy shit is he strong right now. I actually saw a hybrid Sion tear shit up. It worked out incredibly. That's how strong he is right now. People can theory craft on the fly and still come up big. His farming is insane, as usual, and his damage is through the roof, especially with the relatively squishy metagame. Plus, he acts as a sort of morgana, countering most ap mids quite easily. One trick pony, but when that one trick is so ridiculously strong, why bother with anything else? [[Kog'maw]] - Just a small drop, only because he really is hard to play. But the damage is so good. [[nasus]] - You must be thinking, "WTF NASUS???" Ya. I know. I recently picked him up and im sitting at 100% win right now with 8.8 kda. Slap Teleport on him and farm your lane like all solo tops do. I think a big part of his success is that he requires massive amounts of farm, but the current solo top metagame tailors perfectly to that. The whole purpose of solo top is to sit top and farm forever. Plus, Nasus has incredible sustain with his passive, and his combo just about guarantees you outdamaging the other person by about lv 7. Wither can also be used defensively, and Q gives great lifesteal. Don't forget that E has armor reduction, as well as your ult giving a lot of health to Nasus. [[singed]] - I just feel that he is identical to Nasus, but Nasus just gets the job done a little better. Don't get me wrong, Singed is definitely still strong. [[Riven]] - If the player knows Riven at all, she is good. Kinda like Lee Sin. You need to know the little tricks, and you will destroy kids. Her ult is way good right now. The hotfix they did on her worked wonders, and late game her damage is unparalleled. [[amumu]] - Too easily countered in the jungle. Still a strong pick for teamfights and premades, but he needs some good farm to be scary. [[udyr]] - Maybe I overestimated him in the lane... He is starting to fall out of the solo top metagame. Why is he still almost Tier 1? Because he remains to be the best jungler behind Lee Sin. In my personal opinion. Nocturne is a bit higher because of his teamfighting utility late game. [[Nidalee]] - She actually makes a REALLY scary offtank. I think Riot really did a good job of changing her role on a team. It took a while to catch on, but thankfully there is Hotshot to tirelessly theorycraft Nidalee until he found a good build. Rush wriggles and she will never be pushed out of lane, then build her offtanky and she wrecks house. The only problem is she can't carry quite as hard as she used to. [[graves]] - I feel like he was balanced out. I might move him back up next patch, depending on how strong he is after the balances. His dash is still COMPLETELY OP, but his skill damage was balanced a bit, along with his stupid passive. [[tryndamere]] - I played him a bit on my smurf and realized that his damage is RIDICULOUS right now. I can't believe no one has caught it before. 35% crit at lv 1 with full fury, but bloodlust gives you flat AD for fury as well, meaning one skill has instant synergy with the champion. Lv 1 he can crit for 130 or 140 easily and suddenly he has lane control. And everyone knows how Tryn is later on. The new Tryn is just much better earlier on, and is never really weak like he used to be. Keep an eye out. Hidden OP right here. [[orianna]] - Just not strong enough to carry anymore. The damage nerfs and mana nerfs made her more utility and less damage, meaning premade not solo queue. [[brand]] - I'm gonna have to agree with evilDice here. I just really don't see the damage I expect out of Brand ever. Annie has a way bigger impact on teamfights, Cass has better damage, and Sion Kass and Morgana control the lane far better than Brand does. He is being outshone right now. [[talon]] - Those nerfs REALLY did a number on him. He actually has to build to make up for those nerfs now. For example, CDR boots will be common, and mana regen runes. That cripples his laning control early on, and he can't use R every time its off cooldown anymore, because without R he is easier to gank. [[warwick]] - Bested in lane, Bested in the jungle right now. Still strong, but there are better choices. [[maokai]] - He actually does quite well early and mid game. He is a very strange champion. Designed to be an AP offtank, but ended up being AD offtank better. His combo is scary in lane, AND in ganks. [[wukong]] - I really think his buffs and bug fixes helped him. He was almost decent before, but now I really think he will be a fairly strong pick. [[Shaco]] - I disagree 100% with Elementz on Shaco. While he was buffed and has more usefulness in games, he is still one of the hardest champs to learn / master. But because he is current FOTM, lots of people are playing him, thinking they know how to play him. I have seen about 90% of all shacos fail miserably and actually lose the game single-handedly. He's better, But don't pick him to carry your games. [[ezreal]] - Just a little move up is all. I've seen him do some good things lately. [[malzahar]] - Don't like him. Gets destroyed by common picks in lane. [[master yi]] - Doesn't fit the current Jungle metagame, and he is really fucking hard to play. [[miss fortune]] - Just not much reason to pick her right now. She is really easy and fun to play, however. [[soraka]] - Basically, if you want to afk farm at bot, she's perfect. But I've been seeing super aggressive bottom play lately, and soraka doesn't fair well in that meta. [[jax]] - I just see nothing of him anymore. The Gunblade nerf really did a number on him, as that was WHY he was op essentially. Still good, just way less good. [[xin zhao]] - hes just an old champ that has no really good build. [[katarina]] - Idk why she wasnt Tier 4 before. I have literally seen fed Katarinas unable to 100% squishies. That should be a guaranteed kill, but I honestly think her Ult is way too weak right now, Especially early on, and especially with how strong other AP carries are at lv 6. [[corki]] - Just about all the other (viable) AD carries do everything he does better. [[malphite]] - Full tanks are iffy at best at top lane, his jungle is poor, and support Malphite doesn't get the farm he needs to be tanky. Plus his skillset is mediocre outside of his ult. [[kayle]] - Just really weak. I couldn't even carry a smurf game with her. She's that weak. [[nunu]] - He doesn't fit the Jungle meta one bit. Buff / Slow bot isnt enough reason to take a useless champ. [[mordekaiser]] - Lol. Unless you are BR, you know why hes here. [[leblanc]] - I've had her Tier 3 way too long. Her burst is good, but its just good. For assassins, "burst" needs to be OP for that champ to be viable. Thats why Akali and Talon are higher, because their Burst is OP. Plus they have way more Utility and mobility than Leblanc does. [[twitch]] - Lol. I have personally seen a fed Twitch fall off. Ezreal is a designated early game AD range, and even he carries harder into late game than Twitch right now. And now, (FINALLY) Shyvana, The Half-Dragon. [[Shyvana]] - I haven't seen much yet, but I hear her damage is pretty good, and she is pretty tanky. One problem with her though is that she is 100% countered by kiting. Similar to Udyr. Except Udyr has a stun. We'll see what happens with her.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I completely agree about Tryndamere, I just had a game where I was playing GP, at level two he dashed toward me, exhausted me and took me down to under 1/10 health in several seconds. Would have died if not for flash. All I could do in lane was stay back under the tower for fear of him doing it again, and he ended up fed. I always knew Tryndamere was incredibly strong late game, but now he seems to be strong early game too.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]Did you just say ezreal is stronger late game than twitch? And a fed twitch at that? O.o I've decimated entire teams in 3 shots as twitch. His damage per shot is just obscene, but his true strength is his ults effect on his attacks. I'm not saying he's a good pick, as he's really squishy, and easily countered, but I'm willing to bet he could do more damage to a team of 5 within 5 seconds than any other champ in the game right now.(other than viegar farmed to 8000 ap) Also if you haven't seen her yet, I can tell you, every single dragon lady I've seen yet has failed HARD. So she's either hard to play, or very, very bad :o[/quote]

[quote=BunkerBob][quote=Acid Reigns] Did you just say ezreal is stronger late game than twitch? And a fed twitch at that? O.o I've decimated entire teams in 3 shots as twitch. His damage per shot is just obscene, but his true strength is his ults effect on his attacks. I'm not saying he's a good pick, as he's really squishy, and easily countered, but I'm willing to bet he could do more damage to a team of 5 within 5 seconds than any other champ in the game right now.(other than viegar farmed to 8000 ap) Also if you haven't seen her yet, I can tell you, every single dragon lady I've seen yet has failed HARD. So she's either hard to play, or very, very bad :o [/quote] Shyvanna is hard to play, shes great for ganks from the dark but to really shine I feel she needs a strong tank or good support for her to unload everythong on someone.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]I've seen some decent shyvanas. As for Ez and Twitch, your positioning as a twitch literally has to be LEGENDARY if you wanna even think about 3 shotting people, assuming you have that damage. So much anti carrying is available in the meta game. Ez is stronger because he has superior mobility in a teamfight. Twitch is literally a sitting duck. Plus if you want to be any good late game you need feed early game, and to do that you need to build for early game. the cycle continues.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Sion got a free page of MR per level blues in his kit recently, not sure if you were aware~ Also we should do some custom solo top games because I want to try my solo top champs against a solid Nasus player. So far I've just ran through every Nasus I've found in the solo lane. I wanna see if a player with Elo on Nasus makes the trick any more difficult.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Sure duff. whenever you see me on shoot me a PM. Nasus is very strong in lane, but there are a few hard hard counters that, given equal skill, will shit on him. Nasus also really shines late game, so you will see a lot of clutch comebacks with nasus. That might be part of why I like playing him. He almost always makes games interesting. It'll look like you're losing, but then nasus shows up to teamfights and wrecks house. Actually just had a game where we lost two inhibs and stole baron and aced us twice, but i just kept working up my farm and Q farm, and all of a sudden we consistently went 0 deaths for X deaths, until we straight up aced em and tanked nexus turrets ftw. Wither is the most hidden op skill in the game. no question. increase 35% to 95% move speed reduction over 5 seconds. Lets emphasize. [color=red] 5 SECONDS[/color]. That is obscene. But lets take it further. We can also throw in 35% to 95% attack speed reduction. If you want to shut down a fed ranged carry, throw this on them. I guarantee they will be shut down for 5 seconds. Plus, Wither has a stupid short cooldown for how good it is, so you can just keep withering the carry. Gah. I'm getting all worked up. Need to keep this nasus under covers. Hes my first true main-that-isnt-udyr... im getting all giddy.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Oh there's no doubt, Nasus has a really good kit. I just want to test the theoretical counters I have ready against him and see how it goes. :) It's beneficial to everyone to know what wins/loses in lanes ^^[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] Oh there's no doubt, Nasus has a really good kit. I just want to test the theoretical counters I have ready against him and see how it goes. :) It's beneficial to everyone to know what wins/loses in lanes ^^ [/quote] Honestly, i think if i had a big excel document with counters, i wouldn't be such a terrible player :D (I'm not terrible, i just don't know counters so i can't carry out of 1000 elo hard enough.)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]It's just logical counters, generally speaking. Olaf rapes Nasus, for example. He has a counter to pretty much everything in Nasus' kit. All yew gatta dew is play like a different champion every game for 2 months but solo top every game and you'll get a feel for how it works and the champs that excel there. :) Just play the lane you prefer all day~ ^^[/quote]