Discussion Points - Kassadin

[quote=TwilightWolf]HI. I apologize for my nab englishz skillz,now. I new to this game, and to RTS games for that matter. In every MMO I play I always tend to learn as much as soon as I get a good database. yay moba. So I have read all of the top voted guides for Kassadin out there, and yet don't find quite much tendency in builds, and thats just AWESOME dont get me wrong. Champions being just predictable in their builds is just dumb. Still I dont know if the guide authors have considered all the possibilities. Most of them dont advice CoolDown Reduction. Kassadins has already some quick skills, anyways. The beauty in Kassadin,IMO, resides in his synergy. And how can they meld together resulting in that style: Go in, nuke and gtfo. And CDR,imo, works well with it. So. What are your thoughts about it? I have considered so far,that CDR would work more efficiently in a anti mage kind of build. Being able to pop at the mage, silence him, and going out avoiding ALL dmg. possible because his silence is kind of lengthy. Still I dont want to take it out of a normal kind of build because I have seen some videos around, and Riftwalk is an effective way to dodge incoming missile skills, surprise ganks,etc. Its also something to have in mind, that CDR items would take a spot on what probably could be a AP or MPen item, thus reducing your nuking ability. Would all be situational? or have you found that some balance between is best?[/quote]

[quote=TwilightWolf]editting, missclicked enter, apparently Ok, addaded some material for discussing, I may edit my OP further with some more points. (If anyone is willing to help, tee hee)[/quote]

[quote=Cervance]Kassadin likes blue buff. That's 20% CDR right there. That's really all he needs. If you like, you can take CDR runes over AP runes, though this will make his already weak early game weaker. With CDR from masteries and Blue Elixer as well, you'll hit the 40% cap without even itemizing for CDR. As a note, Kassadin benefits more from mana than he does from CDR. You'll need the mana from a Tear or Catalyst before you can even think about spamming anything.[/quote]

[quote=TwilightWolf]Oh dang, I didn't think of elixirs. It may sound silly but that just made my mind up. Mejai's enough.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=TwilightWolf] Still I dont know if the guide authors have considered all the possibilities. Most of them dont advice CoolDown Reduction. Kassadins has already some quick skills, anyways. The beauty in Kassadin,IMO, resides in his synergy. And how can they meld together resulting in that style: Go in, nuke and gtfo. And CDR,imo, works well with it. [/quote] The reason almost any good AP caster doesn't get CDR is simple - Blue buff, CDR runes, and Utility masteries give you almost 40% alone (probably more but hey, I can't be bothered with maths). Getting more would be overkill. Also, as you've pointed out, getting in, nuking someone, and getting out is Kassadin's forte, but as with any AP caster, would you rather get a kill in one big burst, or not kill them, but are able to have very small bursts every so often? The reason RoA is rushed on every good Kassadin is because he needs the mana regen, AP, and bulk. It's perfect for him. Mages can't simply jump into the middle of a fight and survive if the enemy is good. He wants the bulk, or something that would discourage people from attacking him. Mana regen and lane sustain is obvious, and buying it sooner makes it a better buy. It's a staple first item on most AP carries in most situations at the moment, and that suits Kass so much. For every AP caster in the game, apart from Ryze because of Frozen Heart, AP >>>>>>> CDR because of blue buff, masteries, runes, and the fact you'd rather kill someone than be able to slightly damage people more every time you do burst, and ignoring the fact you almost only ever ult once in a team fight anyway. Morello's Evil Tome is a bad item except on maybe (support) Soraka. She's the only real champion it's good for.[/quote]

[quote=Virtus]Generally, CDR on any AP champion in not necessary due to blue buff and elixirs. I used to run evil tome on all my champs but IMO it is not necessary and pales in utility compared to a RoA or Ancient Tome.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=TwilightWolf] Oh dang, I didn't think of elixirs. It may sound silly but that just made my mind up. Mejai's enough. [/quote] Mejai's is almost always a bad idea to buy. The risk is too great and it won't help with you being squishy either. It only works if you're already dominating. Doran's Ring > Rod of Ages > Rabadon's Deathcap > Void Staff is a solid build that works well on (more or less) any AP. Alternatively you can go with two or three Doran's Rings and straight into a Deathcap, but imo that's a little more risky for inexperienced players, especially on Kassadin I'd think given his low range. Xenasis basically explained it, although he seems to think RoA gives mana regen when in fact it just gives mana (unless he means the Catalyst passive). :P[/quote]

[quote=TwilightWolf][quote=Luther3000] [quote=TwilightWolf] Oh dang, I didn't think of elixirs. It may sound silly but that just made my mind up. Mejai's enough. [/quote] Mejai's is almost always a bad idea to buy. The risk is too great and it won't help with you being squishy either. It only works if you're already dominating. Doran's Ring > Rod of Ages > Rabadon's Deathcap > Void Staff is a solid build that works well on (more or less) any AP. Alternatively you can go with two or three Doran's Rings and straight into a deathcap, but imo that's a little more risky for inexperienced players, especially on Kassadin I'd think given his low range. [/quote] yeah certainly. I would only consider Mejai if Im stomping real early. Still I see in kassadin potential to being able to use such item effectively. Right now I lack the experience lol, but I often tend to look into the future like this xD[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Xenasis said pretty much my thoughts on the subject. [quote=Xenasis] The reason almost any good AP caster doesn't get CDR is simple - Blue buff, CDR runes, and Utility masteries give you almost 40% alone (probably more but hey, I can't be bothered with maths). Getting more would be overkill.[/quote] Not overkill, it would be USELESS since CDR caps at 40%. You can't use more. [quote]Morello's Evil Tome is a bad item except on maybe (support) Soraka. She's the only real champion it's good for.[/quote] It's good on anyone who needs CDR and AP, that doesn't get blue buff. Sadly there are not many of those. DFG is even worse imo. It's catered towards AP carries yet doesn't fit them that well. It does work good on dominion though.[/quote]