Katarina is ridiculous!

[quote=Acid Reigns]Lol liked that did ya? :D I do understand what you're saying, but to be completely honest, I don't care whether or not she is viable in ranked. I don't care if she carries the finals of season 2. I don't even see her anymore, maybe 1 game in 20-25, so it really doesn't affect me personally. My whole point, is that she is way, waay too good at stomping the noobies, which we kinda veered away from. I simply remember back when I was first starting out, she seemed like an unstoppable monster to me, and it really took a lot of fun I could have been having out of the game. People just starting out with this game do not need that. Of course different champions are better in different skill brackets, but she is an extreme example of a champion who is too good in low level. Ooh and a fed enough sion can deal with that damage if taric ults, and decides to buy a starks :D though kat's grievous wound would hurt >.<[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well then, that's different. Morde was too good at the lower skill levels as well, but he was only a strong pick at high elo. Maybe Kat is the same way, but she's not BAD. That's all I'm trying to clarify. She's not a bad champion, she's just niche and counter intuitive at times. At a higher level, she's also extremely team reliant which is not good for solo queue. That might be why people are saying she falls off.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I can see where you're coming from Duff, but on the 'holding back CC for use on her' thing, most skills that inflict hard CC will be on, what, a 10-ish second cooldown at most, whereas Kat's ult is on a 50 second cooldown. It doesn't even have to be a good hard CC, the briefest stun, silence or knockup will still stop the channel. You only need one person to hold back their CC until the right moment and she's boned, at least in terms of her ult. In fact, you can counter it without any CC at all by using Exhaust, or even just bursting her down before she can even finish using it. It doesn't help that most Kat players (not that there are many) seem to play her full on retard mode by initiating with Shunpo + Ult before anyone has used any skills.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]It really doesn't matte how long the CD of the CC's are Luther :P As long as they aren't being used, your team is free to do whatever they want. And if your team is competent, they can do a lot of the CC's are 100% not being used on them. Then when they use the CC, if it's a 10 second CD, you're 100% getting your full ult off. So the CD's of the CC's is irrelevant.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]There's gonna be more than one person with CC, and one good stun on a squishy is all it takes to win a fight.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeahp. It's a well known fact that CC's completely shut down squishy's to the point that they are irrelevant in fights. *Nodding vigorously ... :P[/quote]

[quote=Macaco Velho]She is so easily countered? Malz' ult is even more easy to counter. Why the hell was he at Dreamhack? I mean, any CC PLUS QSS can screw him up.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=DuffTime] Yeahp. It's a well known fact that CC's completely shut down squishy's to the point that they are irrelevant in fights. *Nodding vigorously ... :P [/quote] Pretty much, if everyone focuses them while they're stunned. AD carries at least. QQ missed this post earlier.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Mmhmm. It's fallacious logic that because a counter to a part of a kit exists that you can't play that champion.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Luther3000] Pretty much if everyone focuses them while they're stunned. AD carries at least. [/quote] Well if this were true then you'd never see an AD carry in tournament play. Just not really how it works unfortunately.[/quote]