Udyr?

[quote=tweeboy2]I'll keep this post simple: can Udyr successfully gank? I want to try a new jungler and I've stumbled across Udyr. I feel like he is strong but his ganks heavily rely on hitting the stun/having your teammate hit the enemy with any CC (is this true?). Can he clear the jungle fast? Being required to get close for a successful gank, are his ganks at all good? Any tips or advice to using him? If you think Udyr isn't a good jungler can you suggest to me who I should play? I'm looking for someone tankISH (would prefer if it wasn't a main tank, but I don't really care) that has nice ganks and has a decent late game. I've played Amumu and just didn't like trying to hit the enemy with my Q (I'm bad with skillshots), and how I wasn't really playing very offensive. I also liked Nunu's jungle speed, sustainability, and early ganks, but late game I felt like I wasn't contributing to the team as much as before.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Udyr is one of the best junglers at the moment. He has the fastest initial jungle clear in the game and gets even faster as the game goes on, and he's a great offtank who can also deal a lot of damage. His ganks are okay, but not really his strong point...I feel like if you want to get a kill your ally really needs to have some CC of their own unless the enemy is really pushed. His main weak point is being entirely melee with only a speed boost for a gapcloser. It can make it hard to initiate and can leave you in a lot of trouble if your team don't back you up properly. I find that champions with a lot of CC like [[Janna]] are a real pain in the ass for him. Udyr is also a strong pick for solo top.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I dunno, I think Udyr is pretty outclassed by a lot of others atm.[/quote]

[quote=tweeboy2][quote=Luther3000] Udyr is one of the best junglers at the moment. He has the fastest initial jungle clear in the game and gets even faster as the game goes on, and he's a great offtank who can also deal a lot of damage. His ganks are okay, but not really his strong point...I feel like if you want to get a kill your ally really needs to have some CC of their own unless the enemy is really pushed. His main weak point is being entirely melee with only a speed boost for a gapcloser. It can make it hard to initiate and can leave you in a lot of trouble if your team don't back you up properly. I find that champions with a lot of CC like [[Janna]] are a real pain in the ass for him. Udyr is also a strong pick for solo top. [/quote] Do you think he'd be better solo top or better jungling? And it seems that if my team has a good amount of CC that ganking should be easier with him? [quote=DuffTime] I dunno, I think Udyr is pretty outclassed by a lot of others atm. [/quote] That's what I was thinking; he's tanky and can do lots of damage but he falls behind in other categories (ganks, etc.) Can you suggest any other junglers I should try?[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=tweeboy2] Do you think he'd be better solo top or better jungling? And it seems that if my team has a good amount of CC that ganking should be easier with him? [/quote] Either really, but he can be counterpicked in top. Yeah, it's generally easier to gank with him if your lanes have CC, but that really applies to any jungler. At least with Udyr if your ganks fail you can just go one shot all your jungle creeps. [[Flash]] + [[Bear Stance]] is the best way to gank, but don't use your [[Flash]] unless you're sure of getting a kill. [quote=DuffTime] I dunno, I think Udyr is pretty outclassed by a lot of others atm. [/quote] Elaborate. :P[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Udyrganks are imba. Just E in and try to get their flash, after that E in again use ur on Flash to get ur ston done. Tiger and Phoenix are both OP. Recovering and 1on1 encouter in the jungle are just win. It takes a while to get into udyr. but he is rlly cool.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Udyr isn't the best, nor is he the worst. Good clears, DEADLY ganks IF you can get them in range. It takes patience with Udyr opposed to someone like Skarner or Lee Sin who can gank on the fly...Rather they excel at ganking on the fly. Udyr needs a set up. But that's just my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=DuffTime] I dunno, I think Udyr is pretty outclassed by a lot of others atm. [/quote] [quote=Luther3000] Elaborate. :P [/quote] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] Udyr isn't the best, nor is he the worst. [/quote] When you compare gankers like Shaco, Rammus, Maokai, Skarner, etc etc etc etc, who can all use the same philo / hog / boots build that is so good on today's jungler, I just think Udyr can't compete. He's good, but he's not as good as probably 5-10 other jungle options right now, which is hefty. This is coming from a guy who believed Udyr was probably top 3 junglers in the old jungle, and thought Shaco was potentially top 3 worst champs in game.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I think he's certainly in the top five or so. For me, that's good enough to be considered one of the best. Shaco and Skarner are very common bans, too.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Try jungle Twitch. It's a bitch to pull off, but if you do pull it off (and you can become a master at this) he has some of the strongest ganks in the game and can build tanky dps with still huge ass damage. Other then that I can suggest Malph, Mao, and Rammus. Or if you like jungling so much you're willing to give up top lane, try Olaf. Triforce + BV + Gunblade + Randuin's + GA + Merc Treads dat shit op[/quote]