I will be honest. I have tried all forms of Taric. This includes AD/Jungle/Tank/Support/AP DPS/Hybrid... He has the slight potential to do a lot of things, but none of them he is extremely exceptional at.
He best shines while off-tanking or supporting. The absolute best way to play him, I have found, is to lane bottom with a heavy Carry (ranged/ap/ad doesn't matter, just someone that can do damage).
If I play a game with Taric, I will start with Meki Pendant and 2 Health pots. Unless the ally laning with me is ******ed it is almost guaranteed they will get fed. Having exhaust on him makes it nearly impossible to be outlaned. That stun does absolutely amazing things. He is great at zoning out enemies as he is nearly immune to harrass. I get Merc Treads and either max Meki up to Morello's or Nashor's, mainly Morello's (unless I am feeling really good about his passive for some reason).
If you have to tank because your tank is failing by some means (underleveled, feeding, dced), then build tanky and learn to bait and initiate, using your AoE abilities in well-timed situations, mainly helping out your allies.
If your tank is doing good, build more AP/support items and learn to stun the main enemy target/threat and still AoE at the proper times.
No matter how hard you try, there are still other champions out there designed to do multiple amounts of Taric's potential damage. Let them do it and help them get the kills.
From personal experience, worrying about giving Taric worthy damage output will not have very good outcomes, and ruins the gameplay that makes him what he is really good at.
It is not an entirely bad idea, somewhat interesting, but I have experimented with all possibilities of Taric and he is by far best at early laning, getting your carry fed, and supporting.
He best shines while off-tanking or supporting. The absolute best way to play him, I have found, is to lane bottom with a heavy Carry (ranged/ap/ad doesn't matter, just someone that can do damage).
If I play a game with Taric, I will start with Meki Pendant and 2 Health pots. Unless the ally laning with me is ******ed it is almost guaranteed they will get fed. Having exhaust on him makes it nearly impossible to be outlaned. That stun does absolutely amazing things. He is great at zoning out enemies as he is nearly immune to harrass. I get Merc Treads and either max Meki up to Morello's or Nashor's, mainly Morello's (unless I am feeling really good about his passive for some reason).
If you have to tank because your tank is failing by some means (underleveled, feeding, dced), then build tanky and learn to bait and initiate, using your AoE abilities in well-timed situations, mainly helping out your allies.
If your tank is doing good, build more AP/support items and learn to stun the main enemy target/threat and still AoE at the proper times.
No matter how hard you try, there are still other champions out there designed to do multiple amounts of Taric's potential damage. Let them do it and help them get the kills.
From personal experience, worrying about giving Taric worthy damage output will not have very good outcomes, and ruins the gameplay that makes him what he is really good at.
It is not an entirely bad idea, somewhat interesting, but I have experimented with all possibilities of Taric and he is by far best at early laning, getting your carry fed, and supporting.
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Wow, I've read through the entire thread now, I'm actually quite interested in this AD Taric stuff, since I'm currently experimenting a bit on AD Gragas (not to my success yet). Animorte has many viable arguments, I think you should take into consideration.
However, as I see it, Capn Evan's item build is still fully supportive, and he will also be very good early game.
Because of Taric's passive, I think this build could be useful *if* Taric has a competent lanepartner, preferably a ranged carry, so they can outzone the opponent and Taric can keep up using his autoattacks to lower the health of the minions, and the carry pick off the minions. It's a win-win situation, because Taric gets mana, and the carry gets kills.
However, as I see it, Capn Evan's item build is still fully supportive, and he will also be very good early game.
Because of Taric's passive, I think this build could be useful *if* Taric has a competent lanepartner, preferably a ranged carry, so they can outzone the opponent and Taric can keep up using his autoattacks to lower the health of the minions, and the carry pick off the minions. It's a win-win situation, because Taric gets mana, and the carry gets kills.
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Meh with this logic makes Janna also viable to be AD ... How is Taric exacly able to farm that much items? I don't find this a strong idea.
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inb4 taric solo top.
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Taric really can be quite formidable if he gets some farm. He is definitely not a good pick 9/10 times for any other job than support (others can do it so much better), but I have gone like 8/1 as jungle Taric before. Your better off going support, getting your carry fed/farmed early and then trying to farm as much as you can later on when lane phase is done to get things like randuins and abyssal scepter and become offtank/aurabot/support.
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Taric really can be quite formidable if he gets some farm. He is definitely not a good pick 9/10 times for any other job than support (others can do it so much better), but I have gone like 8/1 as jungle Taric before. Your better off going support, getting your carry fed/farmed early and then trying to farm as much as you can later on when lane phase is done to get things like randuins and abyssal scepter and become offtank/aurabot/support.
Bunch of very expensive items on a support with no farm. Yes, that works.
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I do not see reason for any of these "support" offensive build you described.
1) AD taric - hard counting with continuous gold income like crazy - there is no time to ineffectively dps as taric. You need gold items (there is none AD gold) after that aegis and than survivability to not be dead with team aegis.
If you go solo top maybe you will have chance to build like u mentioned, but tank role is not exactly best for taric.
2) that mana regen support taric without 1 ward from start is the most funny post here (and I am huge fan of full armor runed soraka with heal regen and 1 ward from start)
1) AD taric - hard counting with continuous gold income like crazy - there is no time to ineffectively dps as taric. You need gold items (there is none AD gold) after that aegis and than survivability to not be dead with team aegis.
If you go solo top maybe you will have chance to build like u mentioned, but tank role is not exactly best for taric.
2) that mana regen support taric without 1 ward from start is the most funny post here (and I am huge fan of full armor runed soraka with heal regen and 1 ward from start)
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If you run a tank properly (as Taric can be easily), you shouldn't be able to kill them very easily anyway. I have always hated his passive because it goes completely out of sync with his best roles. He is not a very good farmer, especially AD. His AoE's both scale off of AP.
Another contradiction I see here is that attack damage will give you extra damage on your basic attacks that you use for mana regen. Basic attacks also lower the cooldown on his heal. Those things are helped better by attack speed more than attack damage. I do often like to give him some attack speed for that exact reason.
It's not a completely bad idea because he can still do what he does best as far as supporting goes (except the heal) with the AoEs helping his allies and the stun.
Thinking about it, everything that would generally help the ally carry with you, will help Taric just as much. Unless you put him in the jungle or in top lane, you have a carry in your bottom lane that would be pitifully out of farm. He just can't be a successful early game support (which is where he makes a massive difference, trust me) AND be reliable DPS. They both can't get enough farm, just one.
Another contradiction I see here is that attack damage will give you extra damage on your basic attacks that you use for mana regen. Basic attacks also lower the cooldown on his heal. Those things are helped better by attack speed more than attack damage. I do often like to give him some attack speed for that exact reason.
It's not a completely bad idea because he can still do what he does best as far as supporting goes (except the heal) with the AoEs helping his allies and the stun.
Thinking about it, everything that would generally help the ally carry with you, will help Taric just as much. Unless you put him in the jungle or in top lane, you have a carry in your bottom lane that would be pitifully out of farm. He just can't be a successful early game support (which is where he makes a massive difference, trust me) AND be reliable DPS. They both can't get enough farm, just one.
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