Luckyisdaname
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The Lore is cliche, inaccurate, and seems like a bad fanfiction.
Her system is flawed. What if she presses QWE? Do the new spells count in the combonation? What if the caster doesn't want to use the spell? He has to wait 7 seconds for a 2 second CD spell. Making an Invoker-like system just won't work in LoL.
Her AP Ratios are broken as ****; so is the utility of her several spells. You're basically playing an OP collage of several AP Nukes. She has the potentiol to burst down a whole team with a very long combo by the time she's level 6. There's 2 reasons why your champion isn't popular.
1. Her lore is unattractive.
2. Her overall concept is not something that you can put into the game and expect to work the way you want.
3. She's just so brokenly powerful.
Her system is flawed. What if she presses QWE? Do the new spells count in the combonation? What if the caster doesn't want to use the spell? He has to wait 7 seconds for a 2 second CD spell. Making an Invoker-like system just won't work in LoL.
Her AP Ratios are broken as ****; so is the utility of her several spells. You're basically playing an OP collage of several AP Nukes. She has the potentiol to burst down a whole team with a very long combo by the time she's level 6. There's 2 reasons why your champion isn't popular.
1. Her lore is unattractive.
2. Her overall concept is not something that you can put into the game and expect to work the way you want.
3. She's just so brokenly powerful.
No need to PMS Lucky.
Not everyone has the ability to write/create and then critiscize their own ideas before publishing them to be scrutinized by anynomous strangers.
Someone just wanted to make a thread about an idea they had for a champion.
Rolling in and pissing in their cheerios (what you essentially did) is not appreciated. What it is, is extremely rude.
You can be honest and to the point but no need to just be so overly blunt.
You also mentioned three things that make this champion unattractive to you. Not two.
Not everyone has the ability to write/create and then critiscize their own ideas before publishing them to be scrutinized by anynomous strangers.
Someone just wanted to make a thread about an idea they had for a champion.
Rolling in and pissing in their cheerios (what you essentially did) is not appreciated. What it is, is extremely rude.
You can be honest and to the point but no need to just be so overly blunt.
You also mentioned three things that make this champion unattractive to you. Not two.
Feza D Yudoracil
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@ Luckyisdaname:
I am aware of the problem with her Lore. this is one problem I have encountered when trying to create Nevil, if possible can someone help me with the Lore?
"Her system is flawed. What if she presses QWE? Do the new spells count in the combonation? What if the caster doesn't want to use the spell? He has to wait 7 seconds for a 2 second CD spell. Making an Invoker-like system just won't work in LoL."
hmm, I should have made this more clear in the tool tip. QWE will result in the QW combination being activated. basically the first primary spell that is activated after the activation of Q/W/E will trigger the spell change. as for the waiting I am sorry that I did not include that the icon will switch back in 3 seconds, if the secondary ability is not casted. I wish this clarifies some of the problems you mentioned. I will edit the original post after this.
The AP ratios, I actually have thought over quite carefully. yes, On paper it seems strong until one realizes that a lot of her casting takes a few seconds to execute. its not an instant activation ability. if one wants to get her Ultimate up, one has to use up to 6 casts of primary spells (total of 180 mana), 3 casts of secondary (total of 120-140) and the ultimate's cost of 100. that is a total of 400-420 mana used. that is a lot of time and mana usage to make the ultimate usable, this isn't even counting that her other abilities which Purple Blast is a skill-shot, Orange burst is single target, Greencrest is a self target. this champion forces the player to have great awareness of the situation inorder for this character to work out great.
thanks for pointing out the problem.
@JEFFY40HANDS:
well thank you I guess and I would love to hear what you think of this champion also (of course after the updated clarification).
I am aware of the problem with her Lore. this is one problem I have encountered when trying to create Nevil, if possible can someone help me with the Lore?
"Her system is flawed. What if she presses QWE? Do the new spells count in the combonation? What if the caster doesn't want to use the spell? He has to wait 7 seconds for a 2 second CD spell. Making an Invoker-like system just won't work in LoL."
hmm, I should have made this more clear in the tool tip. QWE will result in the QW combination being activated. basically the first primary spell that is activated after the activation of Q/W/E will trigger the spell change. as for the waiting I am sorry that I did not include that the icon will switch back in 3 seconds, if the secondary ability is not casted. I wish this clarifies some of the problems you mentioned. I will edit the original post after this.
The AP ratios, I actually have thought over quite carefully. yes, On paper it seems strong until one realizes that a lot of her casting takes a few seconds to execute. its not an instant activation ability. if one wants to get her Ultimate up, one has to use up to 6 casts of primary spells (total of 180 mana), 3 casts of secondary (total of 120-140) and the ultimate's cost of 100. that is a total of 400-420 mana used. that is a lot of time and mana usage to make the ultimate usable, this isn't even counting that her other abilities which Purple Blast is a skill-shot, Orange burst is single target, Greencrest is a self target. this champion forces the player to have great awareness of the situation inorder for this character to work out great.
thanks for pointing out the problem.
@JEFFY40HANDS:
well thank you I guess and I would love to hear what you think of this champion also (of course after the updated clarification).
Luckyisdaname
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@JEFFY40HANDS As someone who loves the creation of ideas and treats it like an art form, I'm very strict. I came from writing fanfiction and the str- actually, I don't have to explain that to you. I'm not PMSing and you're taking my words too seriously. Take what I say with a grain of salt; I'm CnCing with the greatest flames to form a better sword. Extremely rude? Depends on your interpretation. In the end, i just helped this person out....100x more than you did by trying to be a "savior" and "protecting" him/her. If you don't understand what I'm trying to do, then I don't really care. If you do actually look around, you can see that people have thanked me for my critique.
Simon Cowell from American Idol was an ***, but I respected his opinion more than I did Paula's overly-nice comments. Who helped the individual singers more? What "*******s" say others will eventually say.
Also, **** I pressed two instead of three.
@Feza D Yudoracil It's actually very hard to write her Lore without creating a discontinuity in already existing LoL Lore. What I recommend is to minimalize her connections with other champions, zero would be best, create a strong reason on why she would join the League, and create a simple reason of the origins of her powers. Garen is a high ranking soldier, Ashe is the princess (queen) of a country of ice and snow, Katarina is a prodigial assassin and daughter of a general, etc.
The overall problem of this character is her exploitability. As you calculated, 400-420 mana is needed to cast her full combo; two 7 second AA buffs, a 290 (+100% of her ability power) magic damage dash attack, two 7 second health regeneration buffs, a 1.75 second stun that does 250 (+75% of her ability power) magic damage, two mana regen buffs that cost more mana than they restore, a shield as strong as Karma's shield, and a line AoE ult that does 500 (+80% of her ability power) to everyone that gets hit.
Brand uses around that much mana to activate his full combo and even then it's just 4 damaging spells. A complete burst that takes just a few seconds? Yes. Does he have any utility? No. Also, his AP Ratios never go above 0.8. His spells are on a fairly high CD as well (except his Q).
Exploitable, powerful, too much utility...she basically has too much. What works in DotA doesn't necessarily work in LoL. That's why we don't have Blink Dagger, why Yordle Stompers was removed, why Banshee is on a high CD, etc.
Imagine the raw power of just Purple Blast with a Large Rod. Imagine the burst damage from Lich Bane. She actually retreats to a safe distance after attacking for such high damage. Not to mention that it's on a 6 second cooldown.
Blue Clarify is pretty much useless until you have it at level 5 and have 100 AP. Otherwise, it's just a Lich Bane proc.
You have to factor in CDR to your spells' cooldowns as well. 60% of 6 seconds is 3.6 seconds, 2 seconds is 1.2 seconds, and 80 seconds is 48 seconds.
I think the concept is interesting, which is why I'm here, but I just don't believe that it could ever work in actual gameplay without breaking the balance of the game. She needs significant nerfing to actually be anywhere near "balanced".
Simon Cowell from American Idol was an ***, but I respected his opinion more than I did Paula's overly-nice comments. Who helped the individual singers more? What "*******s" say others will eventually say.
Also, **** I pressed two instead of three.
@Feza D Yudoracil It's actually very hard to write her Lore without creating a discontinuity in already existing LoL Lore. What I recommend is to minimalize her connections with other champions, zero would be best, create a strong reason on why she would join the League, and create a simple reason of the origins of her powers. Garen is a high ranking soldier, Ashe is the princess (queen) of a country of ice and snow, Katarina is a prodigial assassin and daughter of a general, etc.
The overall problem of this character is her exploitability. As you calculated, 400-420 mana is needed to cast her full combo; two 7 second AA buffs, a 290 (+100% of her ability power) magic damage dash attack, two 7 second health regeneration buffs, a 1.75 second stun that does 250 (+75% of her ability power) magic damage, two mana regen buffs that cost more mana than they restore, a shield as strong as Karma's shield, and a line AoE ult that does 500 (+80% of her ability power) to everyone that gets hit.
Brand uses around that much mana to activate his full combo and even then it's just 4 damaging spells. A complete burst that takes just a few seconds? Yes. Does he have any utility? No. Also, his AP Ratios never go above 0.8. His spells are on a fairly high CD as well (except his Q).
Exploitable, powerful, too much utility...she basically has too much. What works in DotA doesn't necessarily work in LoL. That's why we don't have Blink Dagger, why Yordle Stompers was removed, why Banshee is on a high CD, etc.
Imagine the raw power of just Purple Blast with a Large Rod. Imagine the burst damage from Lich Bane. She actually retreats to a safe distance after attacking for such high damage. Not to mention that it's on a 6 second cooldown.
Blue Clarify is pretty much useless until you have it at level 5 and have 100 AP. Otherwise, it's just a Lich Bane proc.
You have to factor in CDR to your spells' cooldowns as well. 60% of 6 seconds is 3.6 seconds, 2 seconds is 1.2 seconds, and 80 seconds is 48 seconds.
I think the concept is interesting, which is why I'm here, but I just don't believe that it could ever work in actual gameplay without breaking the balance of the game. She needs significant nerfing to actually be anywhere near "balanced".
Feza D Yudoracil
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i see... well thats one reason I m here. for help. seems like my numbering still has some problems.
I had a few changes thought up, here are some of the ones I wish you could look upon on.
1) when she casts her secondary spell, the primary spell's buff is consumed.
this means more waiting for full potential or less waiting but sorta wasteful.
2)all secondary spell, base cooldown raised to 15/14/13/12/10. Ultimate cooldown raised to 100seconds
just to balance out some of the numbers.
3a) Purple Blast AP ratio drop to 0.8 from 1
3b) Green Crest ratio drop to 0.5 from 0.8
3c) Orange Burst ratio drop to 0.6 from 0.75
did some more math and number crunching and felt like these numbers work best
these are some of the first few I had on mind after doing some thinking. I'll be working on her Lore sometime this week i guess. personally I just wish she was connected to the already-existing lore, but seems like there ain't much Idea I could drop into it, so zero might really be the best.
PS: I wish people don't get it wrong, but this idea did not originate from Invoker. I was thinking of creating a high combo champion, that requires great knowledge to be used to full potential. but when I finished, I realized Nevil's whole set up felt like Invoker, but with lesser variety and more strict concept.
PPS: I m a Male :)
i see... well thats one reason I m here. for help. seems like my numbering still has some problems.
I had a few changes thought up, here are some of the ones I wish you could look upon on.
1) when she casts her secondary spell, the primary spell's buff is consumed.
this means more waiting for full potential or less waiting but sorta wasteful.
2)all secondary spell, base cooldown raised to 15/14/13/12/10. Ultimate cooldown raised to 100seconds
just to balance out some of the numbers.
3a) Purple Blast AP ratio drop to 0.8 from 1
3b) Green Crest ratio drop to 0.5 from 0.8
3c) Orange Burst ratio drop to 0.6 from 0.75
did some more math and number crunching and felt like these numbers work best
these are some of the first few I had on mind after doing some thinking. I'll be working on her Lore sometime this week i guess. personally I just wish she was connected to the already-existing lore, but seems like there ain't much Idea I could drop into it, so zero might really be the best.
PS: I wish people don't get it wrong, but this idea did not originate from Invoker. I was thinking of creating a high combo champion, that requires great knowledge to be used to full potential. but when I finished, I realized Nevil's whole set up felt like Invoker, but with lesser variety and more strict concept.
PPS: I m a Male :)
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Nevil, The Colored Soul
Lore: (INCOMPLETE! this LORE is Currently Under work)
As far as arts go in Valoran, Nevil never doubted the power of art in her life. When she was 5 she had shone her parents her talent in painting and mastering the combinations of the primary colours. At the age of 10 she bought her brush which was thrice her size from a old merchant who said it is an ancient artifact crafted long time ago. This Brush responded to Nevil’s artistic talents and slowly grown attached to Nevil. According to Nevil, this Brush will always find its way back to Nevil no matter the distance and place. When she was 16 she traveled alone as an artist in search of greater art forms and inspirations. This trip brought her across from Ionia, to Noxus. Within Noxus, she was never greatly appreciated and left not long after her arrival. Out side of Noxus, Nevil has heard rumors about a great city of Magic and law named Demicia, the good names of this city soon had Nevil pending to go to Demacia.
On her way to Demacia, she encountered scouts of a Noxian troop lead by Riven. No matter how hard she denied being a undercover from Demacia the Riven was convinced that she was a mage from Demacia and determined to have her dead. At the brink of execution her brushed suddenly shone with bright colours and painted a bridge of rainbow colours into the sky, blinded by this magic the Noxians backed off, then as the colours shone brighter and brighter it triggered the Demacian outposts close by. Soon later a troop led by Lux and Garen arrived and rescued Nevil.
When she awoke in the hospitals of Demacia, she was spoke highly of by Lux and decided to have Lux teach her the basics of magic. For 2 years she stayed in Demacia studying by Lux’s side about magic.
Now at the age of 18 Nevil brings her canvas and brush ready to color the league with amusing arts and bringing the arts of Ionian standards to the fields of Justice.
Base Stats:
Health: 380 (+80 HP per level).
Mana: 280 (+40 per level)
Attack Damage: 50 (+2.5 AD per level)
Attack Speed: 0.6 (+2% per level)
Armor: 16 (+2.8 Armor per level)
Magic Resist: 30 (+ 0 MR per level)
Movement Speed: 315
Health Regen: 1.2 (+0.1 per level)
Mana Regen: 1.5 (+0.14)
Attack Range: 525
Abilities:
Passive: Canvas Magic
Nevil, combines her magic of Color forming new spell if she casts another color magic within 7 seconds of the initial cast. The secondary spells will be available for only 3seconds. (secondary spells do not count into the combination)
Casting:
QE in any order will turn Q into Purple Rage
WE in any order will turn E into Green Crest
QW in any order will turn W into Orange Burst
Further more, whenever Nevil successfully casts a secondary color spell, she regenerates (10/20/30) mana over 2 seconds. (increases at levels: 6 and 12)
Q: Red Surge
Nevil charges her brush with red magic paint granting her bonus damage.
upon cast, Nevil deals 10/15/20/25/30(+0.2 per ability power point) bonus magic damage on her basic attacks within the next 7 seconds.
Cost: 30 mana
Cool down: 2 seconds
Q(2): Purple Blast
Nevil strikes an opponent with her brush dealing 90/140/190/240/290 (+0.8 per ability power point) magic damage if the opponent does not die, Nevil will retreat back half the range she dashed, if the opponent falls, she travels extra distance forward.
Cost: 40/45/50/55/60 mana
Cool down: 14/13/12/11/10 seconds
Cast Range: 700
W: Yellow Energize
Nevil charges her Brush with yellow magic granting her bonus health regeneration
Upon cast, Nevil regens 2/3/4/5/6 hp per second (+ 0.05 per ability power point) for 7seconds
Cost: 30 mana
Cool down: 2 seconds
W(2): Orange Burst
Nevil releases a burst of orange paint energy stunning opponents within the target location for 1.75 seconds also dealing 70/115/160/205/250 ( +0.6 per ability power point)
Cost: 40/45/50/55/60 mana
Cool down: 14/13/12/11/10 seconds
Cast Range: 650
E: Blue Clarity
Nevil charges her brush with blue magic paint allowing her to gain mana upon hitting an enemy. she regenerates 5/10/15/20/25(+0.05 per ability power point) mana upon hitting an enemy with spells or attack within the next 7seconds.
Cost: 30 mana
Cool down: 2 seconds
E(2):Green Crest
Nevil embeds herself with green paint magic giving her a damaging blocking shield 80/125/170/215/260 (+0.5 per ability power point) for 5seconds. additionally everytime she is hit she will have all her cool downs reduced by 0.5seconds.
Cost: 40/45/50/55/60 mana
Cool down: 14/13/12/11/10 seconds
R: Canvas mastery
Passive: Nevils gains colour marks(max cap at 5) whenever she casts a secondary colour spell. with each colour mark she gains bonus 8/14/18 ability power. She looses all the marks upon death
Active: If Nevil uses all her secondary spells within 28 seconds, she will be able to cast Over the Rainbow for the next 4seconds.
R(2): Over the Rainbow
Nevil unleashes a line of rainbow dealing 200/350/500 (+0.8 per ability power point) to all units it passes through. the rainbow lasts for 7 seconds allowing ally units to walk on. when an ally unit moves on it, the unit has a increased 15/20/25% movement speed and ignores unit collision.
Cost: 100/150/200 mana
Cool down: 100 seconds
Cast Range: 1000