[[Riven]] Vs. [[Gangplank]] Top Lane. Who wins?

[quote=Wintermond]Just won another Riven vs Gp~. I was Riven ofc.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]player skill is a factor. But in even match ups....@_@[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]huheheuehuheueehuee[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro]Bah, this damned thing will be never ending. We need ourselves a Mathlete. Someone who will rise to the occasion, and wrangle some numbers for us. Blank-slate [[Riven]] Vs. Blank-slate [[Gangplank]]. Both taking the most optimal option whenever one is present. I know there is a lot of variables, but it should not be too hard to compare lvl1 vs lvl1 and so on. Just to get a concrete answer out of all of this mess. I wouldn't mind being wrong. I wish Riven and Gangplank were Bot Options in custom games. I'd set them against each other like insanity for a couple hundred games and call the winner ^_^ lol[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You could never factor with math skillful in and out via the GP player, which is what really wins/loses the match.[/quote]

[quote=example1013][quote=AncientNecro] Bah, this damned thing will be never ending. We need ourselves a Mathlete. Someone who will rise to the occasion, and wrangle some numbers for us. Blank-slate [[Riven]] Vs. Blank-slate [[Gangplank]]. Both taking the most optimal option whenever one is present. I know there is a lot of variables, but it should not be too hard to compare lvl1 vs lvl1 and so on. Just to get a concrete answer out of all of this mess. I wouldn't mind being wrong. I wish Riven and Gangplank were Bot Options in custom games. I'd set them against each other like insanity for a couple hundred games and call the winner ^_^ lol [/quote] Yeah the only reliable math that can be done is for a full-to-zero fight where neither runs and kites, but a good GP is gonna duck in and out with Qs. Anyways, I did the math for close to a "blank-slate" fight where I did calculations for both champs at level 5 with 3 levels of Q (and for GP I did 3 levels of orange to test how it altered the fight), with a Pickaxe and a Chain Vest on each. Riven wins by 250 HP, not counting crits, which means the fight could go either way even if GP were being a retard and trying to face-up beat Riven at her game with a couple lucky RNGs (all melee). I don't think it would be too different at any other levels simply because the real-world fight is going to involve GP getting a head-start with Parrrley, and while Riven edges him out in overall DPS (assuming she's at melee range) and survivability thanks to the low cooldown on E, GP can cut and run at any time and go back to harassing, while Riven can't. It's really not a fair match-up tbh, flat-out GP counters riven because of his range and slows, assuming he gets any amount of early armor at all.[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro][quote=example1013] [quote=AncientNecro] Bah, this damned thing will be never ending. We need ourselves a Mathlete. Someone who will rise to the occasion, and wrangle some numbers for us. Blank-slate [[Riven]] Vs. Blank-slate [[Gangplank]]. Both taking the most optimal option whenever one is present. I know there is a lot of variables, but it should not be too hard to compare lvl1 vs lvl1 and so on. Just to get a concrete answer out of all of this mess. I wouldn't mind being wrong. I wish Riven and Gangplank were Bot Options in custom games. I'd set them against each other like insanity for a couple hundred games and call the winner ^_^ lol [/quote] Yeah the only reliable math that can be done is for a full-to-zero fight where neither runs and kites, but a good GP is gonna duck in and out with Qs. Anyways, I did the math for close to a "blank-slate" fight where I did calculations for both champs at level 5 with 3 levels of Q (and for GP I did 3 levels of orange to test how it altered the fight), with a Pickaxe and a Chain Vest on each. Riven wins by 250 HP, not counting crits, which means the fight could go either way even if GP were being a retard and trying to face-up beat Riven at her game with a couple lucky RNGs (all melee). I don't think it would be too different at any other levels simply because the real-world fight is going to involve GP getting a head-start with Parrrley, and while Riven edges him out in overall DPS (assuming she's at melee range) and survivability thanks to the low cooldown on E, GP can cut and run at any time and go back to harassing, while Riven can't. It's really not a fair match-up tbh, flat-out GP counters riven because of his range and slows, assuming he gets any amount of early armor at all. [/quote] Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a Riven have more than 1 rank in [[Broken Wings]] (her Q), at level 5. Usually its more 1 broken wings, 2 valor, 2 stun at that point. Thanks for running it though ^_^ Usually, I wait for a parley to hit, broken wings 1 time in, autoattack, broken wing, autoattack, stun, autoattack, finish broken wings, valor to the bush. The broken wings keeps up even if he tries to run/dodge, he has no hope. There is only time enough it all of that for GP to usually get 1 parley, 2 autoattacks. If he follows me into bush, he dies. That is static for every GP matchup I've been in. I usually run Arpen, Armor, Mres, Dmg Quints on [[Riven]]. I really don't know why I am even saying all of this, I just need to get moar skill and tough one out with the Duff-Maestro. [b]COMPROMISE[/b]: I may sound like I have just an inkling of an idea of what I am talking about (maybe not?), but really I don't. I've never even played GP. Didn't even go for him during the free week because I knew he'd be autolocked every game. Maybe I'll get me some GP training from teh fanboy ^_^ lol.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]l0l :P[/quote]

[quote=Yukimaru]I was used to think GP beats Riven, but th- oh wait wrong Game. Riven beats GP, but its not a "i just pick this champ and expect to win my lane"-pick, it goes down in skill.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]*Face desk*[/quote]