Question about TF

[quote=TheKingsPawn][quote=CasterMaster] [[twisted fate]] 2 stronk =P [/quote] [[Twisted fate]] is balanced to UP. He should be buffed. Increased Base AD, AS/Level stats to buff AD builds and maybe tweak his [[stacked deck]] to scale better in lategame. Other than that he is balanced to UP taking into consideration other AP nukes.([[Brand]], [[Lux]])[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]The problem with AD TF is that he has a poor skill set for an AD carry, like Ashe. His Q is just annoying poke. They should make his Q stack with AD aswell as AP(if it was only AD it would destroy AP TF). His passive isn't good for an AD carry, its more like a passive that a support champion should have. His W is fine. His E is kinda UP at the moment, and they should make it stack with AD, if they want AD TF to be viable. And his ultimate is pretty bad for AD carry.[/quote]

[quote=mysim20][quote=Zoki] The problem with AD TF is that he has a poor skill set for an AD carry, like Ashe. His Q is just annoying poke. They should make his Q stack with AD aswell as AP(if it was only AD it would destroy AP TF). His passive isn't good for an AD carry, its more like a passive that a support champion should have. His W is fine. His E is kinda UP at the moment, and they should make it stack with AD, if they want AD TF to be viable. And his ultimate is pretty bad for AD carry. [/quote] He seems as if a he is a very situational ranged ad like he really doesnt fit well with most bot lane combos. any champions he counters in any way as ad? if not he is kinda useless.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed][quote=mysim20] [quote=Zoki] The problem with AD TF is that he has a poor skill set for an AD carry, like Ashe. His Q is just annoying poke. They should make his Q stack with AD aswell as AP(if it was only AD it would destroy AP TF). His passive isn't good for an AD carry, its more like a passive that a support champion should have. His W is fine. His E is kinda UP at the moment, and they should make it stack with AD, if they want AD TF to be viable. And his ultimate is pretty bad for AD carry. [/quote] He seems as if a he is a very situational ranged ad like he really doesnt fit well with most bot lane combos. any champions he counters in any way as ad? if not he is kinda useless. [/quote] Everyone could do his job better, but does not fit with duo bot combos? Give him [[taric]] or [[alistar]] someone with CC and that ought to do pretty well. Also two second stun, and a somewhat powerful harass with [[stacked deck]] In order to make AD TF more viable they need to buff his range again, and increase his base AD. (This is however, unlikely due to the fact they buffed his range to match those of casters [[leblanc]], [[lux]], and [[annie]].) They could up his base AD, but I'm not sure how these consequences of these buffs. Also you gotta remeber [[stacked deck]] gives AS everytime you level it. As an AP champion his damage is outdone by almost everyone else. Not to mention they gave him something to make him want to stay in the fight as a burst mage (Derp). Why is [[twisted fate]] so....backwards? Because Riot wanted a true hybrid champion, one that could go AD or AP, and [[twisted fate]] just so happens to be the one who got stuck with teh job.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]@Rudmed No love for Ezreal? ;-; If he got some AS item/base AS buff, he'd be fine. Maybe throw a Nashors on him? AS, AP, Manaregen so you don't have to "waste" PaC on blue cards. It's good on quite a few champs. :P[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed][quote=Lugignaf] @Rudmed No love for Ezreal? ;-; If he got some AS item/base AS buff, he'd be fine. Maybe throw a Nashors on him? AS, AP, Manaregen so you don't have to "waste" PaC on blue cards. It's good on quite a few champs. :P [/quote] What's an Ezreal?[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]TF's burst is alright for his cool downs...But with the way things shifted he really needs some attention. People think nerfing his ult balanced him out, and then increasing his AA range was to adjust his QoL...In reality what they did was take an amazing assassin who could be built AD or AP and tunred him into a mediocre champion. He's still useful...As a niche pick, but that ulti nerf hurt the MENTAL mindset a good TF brought to the game....Rather than "he could be anywhere" he's now, well if he's not in mid he could be coming bot or top let's back off. Shaco still has the mental game, but TF is little more than a shadow of his former self. I love TF but I havent been able to preform well with him since they basically made him a Mapwide CV+ 5k range teleport.[/quote]

[quote=TheKingsPawn]@JEFFY40HANDS too much QQing about OP [[pantheon]] ult, so the ball hit TF also..[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Pantheon...No it was the other way around. People QQd about global teleports because they were too dumb to recall home after a bad engagement and then got killed by TF. It's like getting too low when there is a Karthus on the other team. You call his ulti OP but it's your own fault for sticking around when you should have GTFO. People are too fickle with their opinions on champions. TF yoused to be perma ban, now almost no one gives a shit because TF can't turn every situation into a 2v1. Nor can he perma push bot or top lane then tele to the other side getting 2 turrets. Nor can he BD from his well. Those were the things that angered people. So rather than learn to adjust their tactics they bitched and moaned until Riot caved. I'm not saying a change to global ultis didn't need to be made, but Pantheon got sizeable compensation for his change...TF got an AA range buff and QoL change so you don't waste a stun card on a fucking minion anymore; both things are updates he should have had day 1 of the ulti nerf. *deep breath* sorry for ranting. I was a huge fan of TF for awhile, still am, but he's not back to any sort of passable version of himself yet.[/quote]

[quote=Diesel][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] *deep breath* sorry for ranting. I was a huge fan of TF for awhile, still am, but he's not back to any sort of passable version of himself yet. [/quote] He may not be as good as he used to be, but he can still hit like a truck with AP.[/quote]