Mundo Mundo

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Svingas] See I can't play Rammus or Maokai if they get banned almost every game so I am looking for alternatives. [/quote] Whoa, what? Maokai is banned every game?[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]If you want some other ganking junglers you could play Alistar, Blitzcrank, Evelynn, Jarvan, Leona, Lee Sin, Nautilus, Poppy, Riven, Shaco, Sion, Taric, Tryndamere, Twitch, TF, Volibear, Singed, or Udyr. All of these dudes have some kind of hard CC pre level 6, and are able to gank effectively at level 2/3. While I didn't browse Oddone or Saint's recent thoughts, I grabbed Stonewall's list: http://rog.clgaming.net/tier-lists/46-jungle/latest Anyone with an A to S (not counting Amumu) would work if ganking is really what you're after.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ][quote=DuffTime]Mundo's late game isn't even that great[/quote] Except for his Q can hit you for 25% of your health, or there abouts His passive heals him for 10 health a second His W deals 100 magic damage a second in an AoE His AD steriod brings his AD past 200 easily And his ult heals him for about 1.5k Without any items other than Warmogs. Get an atmas and some spell vamp or lifesteal and you'll be wrecking people. It's not just Saint that says that, it's generally accepted that Mundo is a great late game champion. EDIT: forgot that his W gives him tenacity.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]He's not a "great" late game champion, and I don't care if the entire world tells me otherwise. He's good late game, not better than many other alternatives who are generally better than him at most stages of the game.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]:| k[/quote]

[quote=Svingas]I've been thinking about learning how to jungle with Ali since I already have him and use him as support often. My two main junglers are Trundle and Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]What does he bring that another champion can't bring? If you build him to DPS, he's not tanky enough to tank. If you build him to tank, he can only hurt squishy champions, which mean he -must- dive into teams and try to blow up a carry. I feel he's not as good at diving a carry with an atmogg's build as Nocturne or Master Yi, no matter how geared he is. If you wanna point to cleaver disables, how about Trundle Pillars? Trundle is a great, fast bruiser with what is in my opinion a better all game kit. I dunno. When you say great late game you have to consider what he does that's unique. I don't reaaally see what he does that's special or unique late game. He does more damage than alternative tanky bruiser types when he's close to dead, that's about it. Does big deeps matter as much on a bruiser type champion as something like a Trundle Pillar? I'd rather have Trundle than Mundo on my team TBH.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ][quote=DuffTime]What does he bring that another champion can't bring?[/quote] It's not that he brings something completely unique, but that he can do everything well without sacrificing. [quote=BarbJ]Except for his Q can hit you for 25% of your health, or there abouts His passive heals him for 10 health a second His W deals 100 magic damage a second in an AoE (35% tenacity) His AD steriod brings his AD past 200 easily And his ult heals him for about 1.5k[/quote] This is him with only 1 item. This would make me cringe if I was against him. He's dealing a crap ton of damage in an AoE, cleaving people for 1/8 of their health, and auto attacking for 200+. We should focus this monster. Well I can't because he's got all tank items, not just his Warmogs. All those numbers I listed are higher, he's dealing more damage now, and we can't kill him. New situation: we ignore Mundo. We can't kill him, he'll start building tanky if we do. Focus someone else. Now that Mundo isn't the focus, he can freely build DPS. He only had one slot used in the example above, now he can build crit, AD, and AS. Now we're going to die. No matter how you try to deal with Mundo, he hurts. Unlike other late game tanks (say Jarvan or Udyr), they can't deal this MUCH damage while still being tanky. Sure, Jarvan has his flag, but that won't be 100 damage a second. His auto attack isn't doing 150+. How about Udyr? Udyr isn't regening 1.5k health per fight. Udyr doesn't have that high AD, Udyr doesn't have 35% tenacity PLUS his choice of boots. Mundo is just really strong late game. You may want someone else on your team/ think someone is better, but Mundo is good (I like to use the word great) late game champion. We can discuss this until my keyboard breaks, but whatever pal. Svingas: you can jungle him. Don't expect ganks to go great. If you need to gank, Mundo is not the best choice. W-E-W-Q, but if you must to gank, W-E-Q can work. I think that about sums it up?[/quote]

[quote=Svingas]So go Mundo, if the majority of my lanes have strong cc. Gotcha.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ][quote]You pretty much only jungle Mundo when [s]you want a late game damage tank, and[/s] the enemy team does not have Miss Fortune or Tristana (their dots ruin your healing). While Ignite and the thing from Executioner's Calling can, the champion abilities are worse for you as Mundo (they aren't using a slot to counter you).[/quote] And hard CC lanes, yes.[/quote]