Taggrin's Solo Queue Tier List

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Zell] The strength of Shen is his split-pushing potential which can be cancelled out by doing the same tactic you would do against split-pushing [i]force engagements[/i]. Its almost sad to see everyone jump onto the "OP!" bandwagon, Shen is about as "OP" as Ireila. [/quote] I love this argument. Just force engagements guys! Okay so let's say you just force an engage while Shen split pushes. If you don't manage it, let's say the other team peels, they drop some CC's like Cass Miasma, and they shurelya's the fuck out, now what? You spent 10-15 seconds hard engaging and chasing and you got nothing, while Shen bashes your tower to bits. 15 seconds is a free tower. No, "Just hard engage" is not a good enough answer to a complete global. Smart teams will just drive down top lane while Shen pushes bot. Even if you do hard engage, what if they design their comp to be perfect for hard engagements? It just makes it too easy. Your team is far too versatile for no reason. TF is -still- too strong because of his split capability, and his ulti isn't even global. [/quote] The strength of shen now is his laning. He has ALWAYS had the best split push in the game, he used to just have a terrible time getting there. He can fight 2 people by himself in a lane after 20 minutes into the game. What this allows him to do is split push, requiring MORE than two people to stop him from split pushing. When 3 people come top, shen can escape, and his team can engage 5v2. When 2 people come top, shen's team can engage 5v3, and he can hold the wave where it is. When 1 person comes top, shen can continue to split push and possibly kill that person while his team just has to 4v4. When no one comes top, shen can split push freely until he is needed, where he will global in, and then teleport back to splut pushing. His strength lies in having a super strong mid-late game, and his ability to be a psuedo assassin and kill your enemy carry, along with his global shield teleport.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yes! And he should be able to bang or at least hold his own and not get crapped on. But let's just be reasonable and not try to defend global ultimates. They're dumb. Riot knows they're dumb. Even Karthus ulti is dumb. Let's use TF as an example. TF isn't exactly what you call a lane dominant champ, but he's strong during lane phase due to global pressure/presence. Now imagine how borked he'd be if he did shit on most lanes -and- cause the enemy to play passive and die randomly in other lanes as well. TF right now only has the second half. If he crushed lanes, he'd be perma ban, like Shen was, because Shen crushed lanes/jungled/ had epic global presence. So, cut down his global presence, take him back into a more reasonable realm with a semi-global instead of a full on global.[/quote]

[quote=Kiaat]I never noticed that Shen got so massivly buffed that he jumped to the Tier 1 O.o but he will stay my Favourite champ... since January 2012 he does :>[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Slizer002] LB is too easy to counterpick - Cass or Sion= GG. [/quote] Cass counters LeBlanc? Weird. I've played against Cass using three different champions, and LeBlanc is the only champion I've won the lane with. Dominated, in fact. In two seperate occasions...[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Cass doesn't counter LB at all lmao. :P Gonna be updating my own jungle list as soon as I get a chance to play Fiora (so probably in a week or so). Also I feel Irelia may not be OP, but I do think she's one of the stronger solo tops now, she falls off a tiny bit lategame though.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Shen is strong as fuck because of 1) his global ulti allowing for insane split pushing and also being a presence in teamfights 2) his strong as fuck lane You can't get these two things together.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]I think they should just take away his taunts damage, a dash with cc and damage is a bit op 0_0[/quote]

[quote=Kiaat][quote=Nighthawk] I think they should just take away his taunts damage, a dash with cc and damage is a bit op 0_0 [/quote] The aoe of Alistar does cc and dmg too, also you can only hit more champs if they stand in one line, this will happen only by random... I think so[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]the dash with cc and dmg is fine, I like it. It's his shield and Q that were borked.[/quote]

[quote=Kiaat][quote=Restrictnine]Orianna - Incredible Utility, Incredible damage, Incredible laning power.[/quote] Really? O.o *practise with Orianna* [quote=Restrictnine]Should be perma ban right now. Shen - Just.... meh. [/quote] lol I never expected that, I instantly begun to laugh after reading that :DDD[/quote]