Can anyone beat nocturne in the jungle?

[quote=marxr87]Shaco seems to come closest because he can counter jungle...but with recent rework for shaco and shaco nerfs...nocturne is hands down best. I don't play high elo ranked so maybe I'm wrong? /go thread![/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Nocturne is super strong at the moment - perhaps the best ganker now that Shaco has fallen out of popularity, since you can't really ward against him and you can just farm off bottom lane over and over again. He's got CC, sustain, steroids to scale into late-game, and a decently fast jungle. However, if you catch him in the jungle, you can beat him with an aggressive counter-jungler such as Udyr or Lee Sin. Shyvana can steal his camps with her superior mobility, and he'll have a harder time recovering, especially without red buff. His early and mid game speed isn't nearly as strong as Shyvana or Udyr at the moment so you need to take advantage of that vs. a Nocturne. Ward pre-6 and play cautiously after. In terms of skirmishes in the jungle itself, plenty of junglers have more 1v1 damage potential than Nocturne.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Maybe [[olaf]][/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]I'd also like to add Skarner and Naut to the list. Melee v Melee, Skarner wins most of the time because he's so tanky and just so strong of a champ with ult, speed, etc. Naut's ganks are superb, even if you have wards they're hard to avoid because of his ability to flash+guaranteed knockup followed up with a hook that's scary when tied in with a Riptide that does a significant amount of damage.[/quote]

[quote=marxr87]Ya I had a lee sin hard counter jungle me today when I was noc and it was rough, however he had help from a blitz which was hilarious! Has anyone seen this before? Lee was junglin but blitz took smite and tried to pull my blue golem to him and smite it. If I hadn't asked my team to protect me it would have totally worked but from then on him and lee were always in my jungle together. They lost, but it was interesting that they tried that lol... Also faced a shyv tonight where we lost, and ya she countered me hard...that game we did lose but only cuz yi went 1-11...at 17 min Anyway, seems like theyre a couple of good superior counter-junglers but proper warding and teamwork stil make tanky jungle noc da best...[/quote]

[quote=marxr87]IMO olaf doesnt stand a chance, but the tankier jungles in general do better at counter jungling vs. noc. I could be wrong, however. Olaf ganks are weak and noc can easily steal his creep camps (like wraiths). He is in and out real quick with his abilities and is almost impossible to kill in the jungle (even if u can take his creeps). Shyvana honestly gave me more problems tonight than anyone else, including lee sin but he coulda just been a baddie.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster][[udyr]] and decent [[warwick]]s[/quote]

[quote=marxr87]Hm, I'll have to test that more...WW, especially, gave me zero problems. He is slow in the jungle and pre 6 ganks are garbage while I'm ganking at 4 (sometimes 3). Udyr is more of a problem, but I caught him in my jungle tonight and wrecked him hard. Maybe its just these pugs? I would be really interested in the advice vs. shyvana jungle because she is quick and dirty. Those who jungle noc, glass cannon or tanky? I always go tanky. I feel like after the serious jungle phase is over (lanes have completely collapsed), I switch to the tanky initiator role and get good results. Glass cannon nocturne is strong while laning but drops off during teamfights. Only two who have near killed me solo in the jungle are shaco and lee. I still escaped however and then went on to destroy their camps by warding. Pro nocturne jungling advice would be much appreciated![/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Prob just bads. Really good [[udyr]]s and [[warwick]]s are extremely hard to beat especially if they know 100% what they're doing[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][[warwick]] is easy to beat :p Abuse his painfully slow jungle speed and stuff. Oh, and [[nocturne]] was always one of the best junglers, and probably will always be. I recommend [[shyvana]], start Wraiths > Red > start counter jungling immediately, and have strong lane presence laners so that the other team can't leave their lanes while Noc gets blown up in his jungle.[/quote]