Fratma's Talon?

[quote=Darcurse]Maybe. Kinda the exception to that, since he can easily Rake the wave, sth. what a normal assassin misses... Actually I dunno how effective that would be compared to some AP caster.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]He can go mid. I've never even heard anyone claim he can't...[/quote]

[quote=b3astliness]Assassins rely on max damage to have any real impact on the game, this would not suit the play style that [[Talon]] was designed for. Solo top would crush a [[Talon]] built this way, i would however like to see a [[Talon]] with a mr based build mid .[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Fratmog's Talon? Most definitely...if you want to lose almost all of his damage potential and forget the fact that he is an assassin. Go for it. I also think it's hilarious how people think a 'late-game' build has any affect on the laning phase... Unless you are using sh*t for rune pages and masteries.[/quote]

[quote=Somalie][quote]Like in rock-papper-scissor assassins win against squishy ranged but lose against tanky melee.[/quote] [quote=Darcurse]No assassin can be effectively played mid, only exception to that would be Kassadin, since his main harassment is ranged. (Maybe I'm forgetting someone, though). Talon/Shaco/Akali/Eve/Twitch and maybe sort of Katarina, IMO she's more of an AP Nuker.[/quote] Tell me ... what do you often face in midlane ? fucking squishy ap "squishy ranged" as you call it (and yorick and malphite etc etc, but not often) So why would not the assassins champ belong to the midlane, where they can kill squishy ap during laning phase ? Leblanc / Kassadin are assassin, just AP assassin. Even AP antimage assassin with the silence. And if no assassin can be played mid, where can they be played ? toplane vs a tanky shit with counter (mr or armor) runepage ? Bot where the support can almost negate their burst ? Jungle with their poor sustain ? no, mid, where all is about the burst. You said something about harass : yeah katarina, akali, kassadin talon and shit are somehow weak against AA in the early lvl. But they have ranged harass too, and when they have enough lvl they can Q W E R pewpew their opponent. (50-80 % hp in 2 sec, while the enemy can't dodge it or trade) Assassin have problem when their combo don't do anything because of the enemy being too tanky, and they take too much dmg from opponent's harass. If an assassin build tanky @ fratma on Talon, he loses his only utility for his team : burst the squishies.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Assassins cant do shit about the wave.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]*That awkward moment when people don't realize the OP's question was answered already and keep trying to answer it...[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]Talon's MUCH better mid by the way. Just ask for a tanky AP to go top. When I play Talon, I usually start with boots +3 pots. Get 3 dorans blade afterward. Finish boots, get Brutalizer, BloodThirster, finish ghostblade, Frozen Mallet, Atmas Impaler and I usually finish with a Frozen Heart. Works pretty well. I don't get much magic resist in my build, since you're talon. And if you're talon, the enemy ap carry isn't suppose to still be alive[/quote]

[quote=Somalie][quote=Darcurse] Assassins cant do shit about the wave. [/quote] True about Leblanc and Kassadin in early. What about Talon and Akali ? And if we considere Fizz or even Katarina as assassin, again the wave cleaning is not a problem at all. Ryze has more problems about being pushed in early game than some assassins[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Katarina isn't rly an effective lane pusher. She somehow misses a tiny bit, less CD on 1st rank of Killer instincts for example. Talon skills Rake anyway so he's ok. Akali on the other hand can obliberate waves but only if she decides to skip her ranged harassment. (Skilling Crecent Slash instead of MotA) And regarding Ryze, he was turned into a carry mage, so he's kinda slow early, but with his passive and Spell flux he can still push way better than some assassin.[/quote]