Pantheon Build - Any Suggestions?

[quote=WorldsDeadliestBaker]I'm not really sure how many people actually visit this part of the forums, but I wanted to get some constructive criticism towards my guide, in relation to... well anything really. What bugs you about the format? What do you like? What would you add? What would you take out, if anything? [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/pantheon-a-slice-of-justice-39025]Pantheon - A Slice of Justice[/url] Anything you might have would be mucho helpful! Trying to make the build as palatable to people of all skill levels as possible. :)[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong]Wouldn't having an Infinity Edge be better than having the Black Cleaver (assuming you're not going to be getting many auto-attacks off with pantheon anyways)?[/quote]

[quote=WorldsDeadliestBaker]The main draw to the Black Cleaver is the stacking ArP, not the AD that it provides. It's the item for when you're up against Garen and Cho'gath, who are huge meatshields that can pretty much ignore you otherwise. Or against tanks like Rammus who's main form of damage on you is a taunt that will actually force you to auto-attack him. If you don't need the ArP, you're probably better off just building another Bloodthirster. It gives you more flat AD than the Infinity Edge, and 25% extra lifesteal is nothing to sneeze at. Also - crit as a stat seems to be more useful for increasing the damage you do to targets you'd already be hitting hard. Those are the targets that usually won't survive around Panth, which makes the crit even less important. It's not a worthless item on him, I just don't think it's as good as an additional Bloodthirster in most situations.[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong][quote=WorldsDeadliestBaker] The main draw to the Black Cleaver is the stacking ArP, not the AD that it provides. It's the item for when you're up against Garen and Cho'gath, who are huge meatshields that can pretty much ignore you otherwise. Or against tanks like Rammus who's main form of damage on you is a taunt that will actually force you to auto-attack him. If you don't need the ArP, you're probably better off just building another Bloodthirster. It gives you more flat AD than the Infinity Edge, and 25% extra lifesteal is nothing to sneeze at. Also - crit as a stat seems to be more useful for increasing the damage you do to targets you'd already be hitting hard. Those are the targets that usually won't survive around Panth, which makes the crit even less important. It's not a worthless item on him, I just don't think it's as good as an additional Bloodthirster in most situations. [/quote] But if you're at the point where Panth has to be auto attacking tanks to kill them (I mean like chase them across the map to auto-attack) then the game's already pretty late-game, correct? Pretty sure the only thing Panth is good at late game is hitting turrets / killing squishies. I guess it could work both ways, though because IE and BC give the same amount of AD (thanks Riot ;^;) and BC costs less so both would be just as effective as the other in hitting turrets, however if you're hitting turrets so often isn't best just to get another Bloodthirster and max that one out?[/quote]

[quote=WorldsDeadliestBaker]In most situations, I'd build another Bloodthirster. I guess I could add a small note about IE in my build for people who are wondering why I don't include it... I just look at it this way - if you auto-attack a tank twice with an IE, you might crit him once. That probably won't be nearly as useful as reducing his armor by an additional 24 before your HSS and Spear Shot hit him.[/quote]