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This is how I feel about Riot's balance team lately;
"Guys... Something's wrong with Corki and Irelia."
Well... What is it?
"I... I don't know."
Well. I think I have the perfect solution!
"You mean it~!?"
*Moments later, Riot employees are spinning each other around blind folded with darts in their hands*
Okay. Now that you're more disoriented than a drunkard, throw this dart here at that dart board. We've stuck champion skills in the various parts of the board.
"Wait, each champion only has 4 skills..."
Oh just throw it, if it lands in a champion that doesn't need a nerf, who cares, we'll just nerf it anyway.
"Oh okay."
*Throws dart.*
"Well! Looks like Corki and Irelia's abusive true damage values are safe for today! In fact, she'll even keep her bat**** OP sustain for months and months because we don't analyze problems, we just try random *** nerfs until we get it right."
Good talk, glad we got together.
"Yeah I love darts. And Vladimir. Let's buff Vladimir. Everyone loves Vladimir, he's just so fun to play against."
"Guys... Something's wrong with Corki and Irelia."
Well... What is it?
"I... I don't know."
Well. I think I have the perfect solution!
"You mean it~!?"
*Moments later, Riot employees are spinning each other around blind folded with darts in their hands*
Okay. Now that you're more disoriented than a drunkard, throw this dart here at that dart board. We've stuck champion skills in the various parts of the board.
"Wait, each champion only has 4 skills..."
Oh just throw it, if it lands in a champion that doesn't need a nerf, who cares, we'll just nerf it anyway.
"Oh okay."
*Throws dart.*
"Well! Looks like Corki and Irelia's abusive true damage values are safe for today! In fact, she'll even keep her bat**** OP sustain for months and months because we don't analyze problems, we just try random *** nerfs until we get it right."
Good talk, glad we got together.
"Yeah I love darts. And Vladimir. Let's buff Vladimir. Everyone loves Vladimir, he's just so fun to play against."
Though I'm pretty sure Duff is wrong here.
AT LEAST ONCE!
//in the Preview this is big and red... why not in the real post QQ
Let's see the facts. In case we claim Irelia to be balanced atm (maybe she's "strong", but imo she's ok), Riot definitely nerfed the wrong things before as she got balanced with the sustain nerf.
BUT
maybe there is some reason for that?
Morello is not stupid (concerning his penny-game, I read that post as well, I can give you the link if someone wants to read the real post on his own). What he is trying to say, is, that there is no way to balance things out completey BUT BY having same kits everywhere. That's something we dont want to have. Obviously.
So, Irelia is a champion which Riot WANTS to have sustain on lane. With both autoattacks and skills. Maybe they could've removed the heal completely, increase the damage a bit and you got another 1-CC-Bruiser (Riven, Warwick, Yorick, ...). But that would be similiar to creating that penny-game (god how boring). So they try to nerf something else instead of the sustain to keep the champions style without letting it be too overpowered.
And the statement "Riot took X months to recognize Y" is stupid. Everyone saying the Riot guys WOULDN'T KNOW about it, is a fool. Or do you really think you are 100 times smarter than them? Do you really think a community with 80% kiddys is smarter than Riot?
If yes:
LOL. Go play Tetris.
which evolves into a resourceless heal + spellvamp around levels 7-9.
And my mastery page is a 9/0/21 or a 9/21/0.
oO
Are you really complaining about Vladimir's early?
Sorry, but is this a joke?
Vladimir has the probably weakest level 1-6 in the whole game.
That he has no resource doesn't matter in early anyway, you wouldn't be able to use all of your mana that fast.
So let's watch again:
90 dmg. 15 Heal.
Did you know Lee's Q deals > 100 dmg (there's the bonus for the missing health which is not added yet) while increasing his attack speed - which is the reason for him being so strong in early?
Same for Wukong?
Soraka's Silence is without resource, too. 50 dmg and 1.5s silence. NO RESOURCE. And less cooldown.
Well, that's true. Urgot rapes SoloQ.
Is that a problem relating the balance or just something you found out what has almost no priority nor influence on the game?
Let's stay with balance facts and not minor bugs please.
Take
Just my thoughts :P
which evolves into a resourceless heal + spellvamp around levels 7-9.
And my mastery page is a 9/0/21 or a 9/21/0.
That's fine, but when they TRY to balance, they could at least hit THE RIGHT skills for the problem champions, and not release broken mechanics on skills like a resourceless low cooldown healing Q that at level 1 has 90 base damage (Vlad)
In fairness it heals for 15 health on a 12 second cooldown at level one, that's absolutely nothing. It doesn't really become annoying until he has some levels and it starts healing for 55 + 0.25 AP + spellvamp on a 4 second cooldown.
There's plenty of champions that have more sustain than Vlad early. Just none or very few once he gets to around level 9.
Didn't say balance wasn't/shouldn't be in the game -__-... Don't know where you got that. I was stating that it takes A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME to get balanced... I agree with what your saying, but it's going to take a huge amount of time for everything to be CONSIDERED balanced... I don't think LoL is balanced at all... But your expecting them to know everything, for balance... A new company that just had huge success... They have there head up there ***es, and the success is getting to them. LoL will die by the end of this year... I really think so...
That's my point. It doesn't matter WHY they have their heads up their ***es, the fact of the matter is that they don't know how to balance. Irelia's balance issue was ALWAYS her sustain from the day of her release. It was her ultimate and her W's sustain. It took them until the past month or two to figure it out, and they nerfed all the wrong things. Now they need to give a minor nerf to her true damage and buff her Q and ultimate's damage just a touch. And she'll be balanced. I could have told them that ages ago, but they can't see it.
Did ya watch IPL? He was like the second or third most played AD.
Yep. Urgot has always been good, League community dumber than Riot balance team.
So? Only in IPL, and he was used for his ability to aim the squishes with his ulti. That was all planned... Thats why they are pro's... Urgot has some issues, if not played in very good hands.
Are we arguing balance should be made for baddies or balance should be made for pros?
Because the truth is, if all the pros agree a champion is good, he's good. Bad players may not be able to use him, but he's good.
My uncle works at riot and he wants to know if you've been spying on their meetings.
Yes. I have people everywhere. Let him know I'm wise to their blueprint.
trust me folks if the makers of dota can't balance and don't you dare to trash talk me it is balanced lol .. :D in years of patching/nerfing/buffing LoL will never achieve it they just can't I mean they bring out a champ every 2 weeks have to balance these which they fail like 50% of the time then they have to balance the old once and other **** like that...
Before DotA isn't balance LoL will be neither :P
That's fine, but when they TRY to balance, they could at least hit THE RIGHT skills for the problem champions, and not release broken mechanics on skills like a resourceless low cooldown healing Q that at level 1 has 90 base damage (Vlad)
Or Irelia with her ****ing insane heal per auto attack. (Only recently fixed)
Any number of things that need fixing. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, Vayne still gets zero heal every third auto attack right now. Why don't they fix that kind of ****?