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Does Maokai coounter Riven?

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Why is it that these new-meta game jungle/solo-top freaks counter almost everybody.
I.E: Udyr is like a GOD in solo top.

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It's not Riot shifting the meta as much as it is players finding newer "more optimal" ways to play/build/exploit champions.

Example being Wit's End as a relatively OP item due to the previous cost and the fact that it deals magic dmg which meant stacking armor was not AS effective.

Then you simply have champions that are currently "unviable" due to their mechanics. Rather they are too easily countered. Examples being Nasus who loses to basically all other top lanes.

Then you have the currently "perma ban" champs who really should be banned...Like Morg and Kassadin.

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I don't think top Maokai could work. AP Mid Maokai isn't that bad. He would be an extremely viable top but the mana costs on his saplings are really high. He needs blue donated to him for him to be able to do much for very long. And no. Philo Stone does not magically solve his mana issues.
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I don't think top Maokai could work. AP Mid Maokai isn't that bad. He would be an extremely viable top but the mana costs on his saplings are really high. He needs blue donated to him for him to be able to do much for very long. And no. Philo Stone does not magically solve his mana issues.

Catalyst, philo stone. Chalice if you really want to as well.
You don't always need blue and you don't have to spam sapling every time it's off cooldown unless you want to hardcore push the lane.


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I heard Garen counters Riven.

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Wtf? Riven easily crushes Garen. With her stun he can never reach her and she deals more damage. And can escape Judgment easily.

Garen sucks vs anyone and anything imho.
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NicknameMy wrote:

Wtf? Riven easily crushes Garen. With her stun he can never reach her and she deals more damage. And can escape Judgment easily.

Garen sucks vs anyone and anything imho.


Um... No? He does not "suck vs anyone and anything", he is cheap, easy to use, naturally tanky, and very effective at holding a lane and bullying other mele dps characters. silence+spin-to-win= LOTS of damage with hardly any threat of a fair trade off. Udyr slays him and wears his skin like a 3 piece suit all day, but there are alot of champs he does perfectly fine with. Example: Riven. His silence stops her from jumping around like a bird caught in a bear trap, then he spins and chases and simply wrecks her. Now if she was smart enough to wander close enough for him to use his silence on her, and keep out of reach of her spin until the silence stops, then go into her combo, she could win. In this situation its all about out smarting garen's obviousness and lack of finesse.
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riven beats olaf. udyr beats riven.

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Well, but Garen falls off way to hard, even harder than Yorick, to be a threat for Riven later in the game. If Riven is smart enough to avoid him and farm, she can farm through her lane and then come back later. This can be easily done with a big armor runepage and a Cloth Armor start.
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I honestly think Olaf could potentially beat Riven early game with the right runes.

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