Garen, the one left behind.

[quote=NicknameMy]Oh, did I already mention that [[Darius]] is concipated as evil brother of [[Garen]], so he is basically made to look similar? [quote=Xenotechie] In my opinion, [[Garen]] has a case of old champion syndrome. This is most apparent in his finishing ability, as most other finishing abilities now deal true damage. However, that is not all. His abilities seem to make him a tanky DPS with the emphasis on tanky, but the problem is that no one will willingly focus a tanky [[Garen]], and, well, he just doesn't deal enough damage to stay viable. Now, people mostly build him caster AD via [[Judgment]] transitioning into autoattack AD. Riot could either ignore that and tweak him to be able to either deal damage or be a bigger threat so he gets focused, or embrace that concept and tweak him accordingly. [/quote] This would need either a form of CC on Judgment or an even higher base damage (through an full ad scaling rather than bonus ad). Or new items which let you focus on the right thing.[/quote]

[quote=Phil15]Imo [[Garen]] is just downright bad and I rejoice fighting him whereas [[Darius]] is better and a good top laner. Fixing Garen I would add a slow to his Q and his ult should do true damage. But, that would make him too similar to Darius[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]buff bushes, indirectly buffs garen[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Mooninites] buff bushes, indirectly buffs garen [/quote] New Map: Kumungu Jungle Field of Justice[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Garen stomps harder earlier on TT, compared to Darius <.<[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But this game isn't balanced onto TeaTime. BTW: [[Demacian Justice]] is a giant godly sword which falls out of the sky. Even because of that it should deal true dmg.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]I got an idea, just remove Gayren from league. That way i dont have to read about how you think Gayren needs a buff. Nick man ive read like 4 other threads from you about this same topic. Not everyone has a hard on for garen. Some people could care less that garen isnt a "viable" pick. And darius is obviously better...he is a newer champ. Older champs have kits that were good at there time of action. But now the game has changed, with it Riot has been developing more innovative kits, and or more refined kits....Garen is just one of the champs who isnt as important right now and frankly i could care less if riot ever goes back to rework him. If they did, they would need to give him a twitch/evelyn scale remake. Or that is my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade]if you want them to be even there is one way, first give Garen an axe. It looks cooler. Make is passive a DOT that apply s on hit and stacks up to five times. Make his q a move that he spins his axe once and people on the outside get hit by the blade take 50% bonus damage. Make his w a move that powers your next basic attack. Make his e a move that gives Armor pen and grabs all champs in front of you in. Make his ult a move that deals true damage and bonus damage for how staks of his passive he has. BOOM BALANCED![/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Garen got screwed over by the mastery rework.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Garen]] shits on [[Darius]]. But [[Darius]] actually scales into late game where [[Garen]] doesn't. He needs a slight endgame buff.[/quote]