Sejuani and Udyr

[quote=Fox Rage]I just bought [[Sejuani]] because I like her mechanics, but after seing a few dodges (in normals) because i was [[Sejuani]] jungle, I was wondering, Why do people despite her so much? Late game, her W can deal decent damage, ou perma-slow everyone around you, your ultimate is a very good one and there are much slower junglers out there. So why all the hate? And I was wondering why was no one playing [[Udyr]] anymore. I haven't seen that champion is ages, and I remember how retarded he was in the new jungle. So why is he underplayed too?[/quote]

[quote=TotHeMax]Because shes sub par to most champions. Yeah her W can do decent damage, but the perma slow takes a little bit of luck to do. Theres a forum post somewhere on the LoL NA forums that is a "letter" from sejuani saying what is wrong with her. Theres some parts like shes supposed to be strong but that has nothing to do with her skills. Her lore doesn't match up right either On the udyr part, I think it's just because hes so short ranged. I usually see only people with at least 1 ranged skill in their arsenal in most games I play. It's like poppy. People think shes bad when shes awesome just because of her horrible farming and lack of range.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]she can work, but very team dependent. if your team is doing bad, there is nothing you can do. Slowing people only works if you already hava an advantage. thats why people dont like her.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]She is slow, relies on ganks that are easily avoidable. Does no damage. Her ultimate is a weaker Ashe ultimate. Basically her control is all she has going, but that requires her to be in melee range...Meaning she is easily kiteable. Even with her charge.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Her ultimate is REALLY good :l Actually, she's pretty good herself, people just haven't realized or accepted that yet. A few buffs would be necessary to bring her up to par though.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Udyr's problem is gapclosers and mobility. He will be kited to death all game. Facing Ez/Corki? You have to flash->stun or have them be stupidly overextended for ganks. Come late game, they'll just blink away and you'll either have to burn flash or a lot of mana to keep up. On the other side, he is a very strong duelist with a stun, shield and a 1.5 AD scaling DoT.[/quote]

[quote=Phever]Sejuani is just a slow jungle and not viable against most jungles. I mean you want a gank heavy jungle? Play Maokai or alistar which outclass her in a lot of ways. Udyr is a good jungle just has a problem with being kited. I mean hes not bad. Look at trundle one of the greatest jungles due to passive and just being fast in the jungle. but has a problem with being kited and isn't great compared to most.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]she just does no damage. about udyr, i've seen him a lot lately o.O.[/quote]

[quote=Machineae]Sejuani is pretty much free wins in solo que if you've got a team that actually listens when you go to gank. She's pretty much a permaslow with decent damage output late game when you're starting to finish off her item build.[/quote]