What Riot did for Bruisers/Tanks for Season 3

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Andarun] "Oh yeah your AD casters will be viable now cuz penetration changes" > penetration now ignores less defenses Riot y u do dis [/quote] lol what? Lets review how penetration works. Season 2: Lets say you have 20 flat armor pen ([icon=Greater Mark of Desolation size=32]) and 40% penetration ([icon=Last Whisper size=32]). On a 200 armor target you would subtract the flat 20 first leaving 180 armor and then reduce that by 40% leaving the target [color=#00ff00]108[/color] effective armor. Season 3: Same 20 flat and 40% penetration. 200 armor is reduced to 120 due to percentage going first and is then reduced to [color=#00ff00]100[/color] from the 20ty flat. Unless my math is horribly wrong, which it isn't, Season 3 makes armor pen MORE effective. This was the entire point of them reworking the pen numbers.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]As far as I remember ReignofGaming argues, that in addition to the penetration calculation getting reworked, the values also getting nerfed. Results in S3 penetrations being weaker on lower Armor/MR values than those in S2. But dunno if the gold cost changes for MR/Armor were also included.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]It is 35% in S3 and [[greater mark of desolation]] also gets nerfed. [[the black cleaver]] is 30% + 10 flat. I feel [[the black cleaver]] is now superior to [[last whisper]] thanks to the other stats like CDR or HP. Aswell, [[runaan's hurricane]] makes it way better.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Greater Mark of Desolation nerf is stupid. People already just use flat ad over it. Unless flat buff is that much no adc or top will trade ad to win lane and last hit for little extra dmg late on to armor targets. Just get armor pen item if u need it.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=cooper56] no adc or top will trade ad to win lane and last hit for little extra dmg late on to armor targets. Just get armor pen item if u need it. [/quote] I've already explained like 10 times on this site that this is not how flat ArP works. It's for early game damage on champions.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia]I would say flat AD is more for last hitting under tower.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=astrolia] I would say flat AD is more for last hitting under tower. [/quote] I agree. ADC's that run flat AD usually just want to farm the lane harder. The strongest time to run flat AD is when your a bruiser who scales insanely well with it. Although, I would think armorpen would be better overall from a dueling standpoint. They are trying to make armor more worthwhile, which is why the price is increasing. Nerf's to penetration as a whole is healthy for gameplay.[/quote]

[quote=Banishedd]Bruisers were created to have the job of shutting down the attack damage carry, even under some focus. They got buffed so they could pull this off, because previously, some attack damage carries with items could win a 1vs1 with a bruiser, which is just sad.[/quote]