To mid or not to mid.

[quote=Forgottenduty]Hello all. So I picked up [[Pantheon]] after 6 months and I have a TON of quiestions. But first of all. Is [[Pantheon]] much better on mid lane now? Can he counter characters like Khazix and Zed there? Also, on top he is not feeling as strong as he did in the past, probably because of all these changes on items.(Also wtf I see people coming with 9 pots top wtf did you do Riot to make that happen ????!!! :( ) Also, I still cant figure out how to build him on S3. Seems like all my experience on that character hasn't helped me enough yet. For now I rush [[The Black Cleaver]] followed by [[Warmog's Armor]]. Then I vary my build on the game. I am open for suggestions! Thanks for your time.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]get fed or get screwed. panth is a pain early but relies a bit on how naive the oponent is, imo. not sure you will be able to be in range of Zed, for example, since he can just farm with his shuriken.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty][quote=Pheyniex] get fed or get screwed. panth is a pain early but relies a bit on how naive the oponent is, imo. not sure you will be able to be in range of Zed, for example, since he can just farm with his shuriken. [/quote] Well that applies to almost any mid lane character. Still, I am not sure where he fits best and why.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]Panth can be wrecked by ranged attacks when Panth doesn't burst them down enough. If you play mid, you need to be prepared for that. Pantheon can also be played top and in the jungle though :P Maybe that fits your playstyle more.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]I tried to jungle as Panth but I was breaking my Ap carry's balls cuz I needed blue all the time lol. Then I tried to rush tear or other mana sustain stuff but it still wasn't good enough for me. As for top, I feel that with the item changes you cant do enough damage to harass as you could in the past, so you can't win your lane unless the enemy does not buy any armor at all. Even with an early Brutalizer most of your damage is negated :/[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][[Pantheon]] is scary everywhere now :3 Start with a Red elixir/4 health pots/2 mana pots. No mid lane can take that kind of burst + [[Ignite]] at level 3, as for a build you have pretty much got it. [[Black Cleaver]] into [[Warmogs]] hurts and makes him rediculously difficult to take down. Though if you get some early kills those [[Boots of Mobility]] make some magic happen all over the map.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]Thanks for the tip Joshified.[/quote]

[quote=Xiaowiriamu]Pantheon one of the few champs where...if you played 100 games with it, ranked or normal...more than likely you'll win 60 of those 100 games. Why? Well hes viable anywhere... including support (which i've carried hard sometimes playing him support). Another reason is his early game dominance is hard to counter, even against malphite you can wreck his face. Only problem with pantheon, which everyone knows is his late game, but this is where you just build tanky and sort of aim to going support and protecting your carry, who will do the damage. When playing top/mid start with Red elixir and mixture of pots, like Josh suggested, and then if you're dominating stack some long swords, and gank other lanes, never sit in your lane if you're winning, or even losing, just gank gank gank when your ultimate is up. As for mid game, start building tankier, and when it comes to late, start to sell your damage items and replace for more support/tank items as generally even with 2 damage items, it simply isn't enough.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]Still, when its the best time to use the red Elixir? During a fight or you activate it on a specific level?.[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]Also the runes I use are Arp Marks, Armor seals, Mr/lvl glyphs and AD quints. Any better suggestions?[/quote]