Personally I think you should start flay at lvl 1 other then that amazing

Hi there,

ever thought about changing runes in
9x health
3x essences armor?

=72 hp + ~21 armor
vs
78 hp + ~17 armor (how it's atm)

very nice guide - didnt read all the comments so sorry if anyone already discussed about this.

Doesn't Zz'Rot cost too much for the stats it is offering?
I feel like Supports can't utilize on it, in contrast with
e.g. a Jungler.

i thank you for this build only thing i did differently is max skill #2 and #3 first after unlocking them all which really helped me nab those runners who knew they were dead overall my support kicks ****ing ***

Great guide :D some parts are a bit too colourful, you might also want to change the part where it says only ranged champs can activate the execute on targon's brace

Just one comment above you, to be exact! Read the response below :p



It's a Tank-oriented Thresh, definetly. I've put in some damage, absolutely, but it's a must right now in this season. And of course, the same question twice? Must be a hot one!

I don't know what to say other than: I haven't been able to update the item / Masteries section of the guide :( Only the cheat sheet! I will definetly try to update it this weekend, but I'm not sure.

TL;DR, CheatSheet = Season 4, ItemExplanation = Season 3! Also, blame college.

In your cheat sheet, you've put Talisman of Ascension as the way to go. Whilst in your "Item explanation", you've stated that the Face of the Mountain should be built. I tend to go Talisman but I don't really know what fits the best. Might differ from ADC to ADC.

(sorry if this is stated anywhere)

Very nice guide.
Is this more of a tanky support Thresh build (with some AD/AP) or an AD/AP based Thresh build? Or a balance between AD/AP and tank?

Also, in the build on the top, it recommends to buy Boots of Mobility and Nomad's Medallion. But in the item build explanation, it recommends to buy Mercury's Treads and Face of the Mountain. Which items are better?

Nope, the guide simply chose to ignore the Warding Totem trinket. When you wrote that, the guide already had come to the subject of trinkets: The Lens were in the main build!

Slight annoyance with your word usage aside, A) You cannot ward anymore at 1:30, only at about 2:00 (If I'm not mistaken). And even so, it's litearlly useless to ward at 2:00, it's a waste of a ward, specially if the other support is passive and/or you're in the blue team (less chance of being the first gank spot). It's still best to wait to use the trinket till around the 3:00 mark, either on the brush for you to see the other support (Perhaps get some hooks in!), or on the river brush as a VERY TEMPORARY gank prevention.

Remember, this only works better than usual thanks to Flay's extra damage! While it's still a viable strategy, I strongly recommend you to try all three gold generation trees, and use whatever fits both the situation and your playstyle!



That's a good use of math, actually! Using averages to quantify and qualify the medium income is a valid way of classifying the usefulness of our little friend, but the thing is: A) Other gold income items offer a bit more in terms of pure stat, besides the gold gen. And B) In those calculations, you assume the best possible outcome: The fact that the owner of the shield will NEVER reach the maximum capacity of stacks, as every second spent in that cap is gold inefficient, thus costing the support. And it's... kind of impossible to never reach cap? (Specially considering, y'know, you start at the cap.)

But again, as you said, it's just as gold efficient as every other gold gen item tree! It's more about your situation and your preference than the champion you're using!

You might actually be spot on... specially with how many of the AP Carries recently have been of a more poke-centric kit... I'll edit it in and thank you, rest assured. :3



That was my main issue with this guide, actually... I realized I was being far too reliant on that early kill, and even though it DID bring in SOME gold gen... it really wasn't enough. That's why I thought it was favorable to switch to Ancient Coin's tree of upgrades. It cements Thresh's role as an equally feasible passive and agressive support, while still rewarding agressiveness just as much (I found that the Health Regen from the passives actually turned out to be more useful than the extra health from Relic Shield.
I will update my item / playing guide section soon. Also, no, no streams. :( Not good enough for that! ;(