what is stronger: blade of the ruined king or...

[quote=drunken0elf]why not both? or are we only talking about vayne?[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Vayne botlane max q, vayne top max w.[/quote]

[quote=Satella][quote=Crows foot] Vayne botlane max q, vayne top max w. [/quote] WTF no, you always max Q. You're guaranteed to do more damage with Q max than W max 100% of the time.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Satella] [quote=Crows foot] Vayne botlane max q, vayne top max w. [/quote] WTF no, you always max Q. You're guaranteed to do more damage with Q max than W max 100% of the time. [/quote] W max is strong and if you actually make use of it, you'll definitely do more damage than with Q max. However, Q max is easier to pull off and provides additional utility. Personally, I like both.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=Satella] [quote=Crows foot] Vayne botlane max q, vayne top max w. [/quote] WTF no, you always max Q. You're guaranteed to do more damage with Q max than W max 100% of the time. [/quote] depends on what you build[/quote]

[quote=Satella]W max vs. Q max: - [[Silver Bolts]] max: 40 more true damage and 4% max health every 3 autos. (basically less than 13 + 1.3% max health per attack). - [[Tumble]] max: 20% extra bonus AD scaling, [b]triple cooldown reduction[/b] The extra [[Silver Bolts]] damage is effectively negligible early game since being able to squeeze in one more auto because of a short cooldown [[Tumble]] exceeds this damage by a lot already. I simply don't see anybody getting good use out of W max, especially since teamfights will start to happen before [[Tumble]] is maxed, and you're not able to fix your position as easily when it's on cooldown for much longer.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Satella] W max vs. Q max: - [[Silver Bolts]] max: 40 more true damage and 4% max health every 3 autos. - [[Tumble]] max: 20% extra bonus AD scaling, [b]triple cooldown reduction[/b] The extra [[Silver Bolts]] damage is basically negligible early game since being able to squeeze in one more auto because of a short cooldown [[Tumble]] exceeds this damage by a lot already. I simply don't see anybody getting good use out of W max, especially since teamfights will start to happen before [[Tumble]] is maxed, and you're not able to fix your position as easily when it's on cooldown for much longer. [/quote] The reset is good, the 5% per rank is very low and easily outclassed by 1% of max health. Though I see your point and I switched to Q max because the cdr is just very good. Also, the flat damage is physical not true.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]I'm pretty sure all of [[Silver Bolts]] damage is true, both the flat base and the % max health. EDIT> Just tested, it's indeed all true.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]cdr on [[tumble]] is indeed very good. I just take it at level 1 and then put another point in it at level 4 and max [[silver bolts]] after that. Not sure if you read the part where I said I rush botrk and then get a PD, but yeah I do that. Don't know if you've tried it, either. I haven't done the maths or anything cuz I'm too lazy for that but I find it way better than Q max with BT rush.[/quote]