Death sentence

[quote=Searz][quote=SkidmarkD] Some/most people value life too much. Or rather, if the person is alive, they'd want em to stay alive. Living life is optional. As long as they are alive. Which is wrong in my eyes.[/quote] Agreed. Life is not inherently good, it's both good and bad, to very varying degrees. [quote=sirell] I'm not really going to talk about practicalities, since that's not completely my area of expertise, and I always believe it to generally be a get-out-of-jail-free clause so I'm just going to focus on the principles of the death penalty. To put it simply, even though they are criminals, they are still human people. Just because they kill someone, it does not mean you can arbitrarily write them off as 'scum'. Nor does it necessitate that they suddenly lose their right to life just because they deprived it of someone else. There is no actual justification for this assumption. Why are they not considered human? Humans have been taking lives for as long as we have existed, yet for some reason we seem to have developed some sort of sensibility which allows us to strip a person of their humanity. The question 'whereon do they get the right to condemn these killers to the death penalty and deprive these killers of the right to life?' can be asked as far as the state, to the government of the country, in turn to the people of the country who elected their government... until we find that there is no such a right. Yes, they create sadness for others. Yes, they inflict pain upon the undeserving. But to reduce it to 'a life for a life' is arbitrary at best, not an actual justification.[/quote] Why isn't writing them off as 'scum' okay when writing them 'off' as human is? [quote]To bring up a case example, the case of Loeb and Leopold, two teenage boys who went about the perfect crime to kidnap and murder a 14-year old boy.[/quote] How exactly is that a perfect crime if they got caught?[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]These are some photos of last meals of people on death row: [img=http://i.imgur.com/4H6Bw.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/xRcHW.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/H4jWo.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/2ibj8.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/uRHsw.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/JvYEW.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/UYSoG.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/aXsF2.jpg][/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=MrCuddowls] These are some photos of last meals of people on death row: [spoiler] [img=http://i.imgur.com/4H6Bw.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/xRcHW.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/H4jWo.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/2ibj8.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/uRHsw.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/JvYEW.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/UYSoG.jpg] [img=http://i.imgur.com/aXsF2.jpg] [/spoiler] [/quote] Forgive me, but... How the fuck is this relevant?[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]Well this thread is about the death sentence and Searz is arguing whether someone should be written off as human or scum. The meals you see above bring back the sense that these people are still humans and should be treated like humans. I would personally love to watch a series of movies or a show that I really like whilst enjoying my favorite food before I die. Wouldn't most humans like that?[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]Yes I suppose that would, but on death row people would do anything to try and get themselves out of it, including making themselves seem human so the jailers might feel pitiful of them. You don't know what chicanery people my use in those situations.[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls][quote=IShouldGetALife] people would do anything to try and get themselves out of it, including making themselves seem human so the jailers might feel pitiful of them. You don't know what chicanery people my use in those situations. [/quote] You must be kidding. Please tell me you're kidding.[/quote]

[quote=TheAmazingComicBookGuy]You must be f*cking kidding me with the first meal. You eat that while watching lotr? - Sir, what is going to be your last meal tomorrow? - Chips, cola, ice cream, hamburger and some popcorn while watching Star Wars the original triology. [img=http://i.imgur.com/6Ny4I9Z.gif][/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]How could I kid on this? If someone can kill another human then they certainly can lie (or try to) lie their way to freedom, and anyway why should they be treated as humans and given a second chance? why should they have a second chance when whoever they killed couldn't and considering the amount of repeat offenders and people that murder on parole should they get a third chance? NO. The world a right now is fucked up and if you deny that you are blind right now we give murderer's second chances when they didn't give their victims second chances and we let rapists go free. Why give someone a second chance if they fuck up? say you're at school and you fail a class, the teachers will most likely let you try and redeem your grade, I'm sorry but you fucked up you face the consequences, you kill someone you don't deserve a second chance.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I think it should be legal because there can always be people who deserve it. Doesn't mean they should be thrown out every time one kills another though.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]hmmm that was nice and informative.[/quote]