Rathor, the To Be Decided

[quote=drakon136]A champion idea I've been thinking of for a while. Yes, I'm bad at naming things. Yes, I was too tired to think of a title for this guy. Now, Rathor himself is intended to be a hybrid between a melee carry and an AD caster; like how Pantheon and Urgot are hybrids between AD bruiser and AD caster. Fair warning, I have spent all of a couple hours balancing him, so the chances of Rathor being stupidly broken or stupidly useless are quite high (although it's more likely to be the former). [spoiler=Lore]~ To be decided. ~ Key theme: Noxians are dicks. ~ /j: Mimics Olaf's taunt. Juggles his axes, but drops them both, and frantically tries to pick them up.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Stats]Range: 125 Base AD: 48.5 AD per level: 3.5 AD at 1: 52 AD at 18: 111.5 Base Armor: 20 Armor per level: 3.1 Armor at 1: 23.1 Armor at 18: 75.8 Base Health: 483 Health per level: 77 Health at 1: 560 Health at 18: 1869 Base Mana: 270 Mana per level: 35 Mana at 1: 305 Mana at 18: 900 Hp5: Low Mp5: Medium[/spoiler] [spoiler=Skills]Bloodthirsty | Passive Innate 1: Rathor passively gains 8% lifesteal. Rathor also gains an additional 4% lifesteal when attacking a champion. This can stack up to four times, for a total of 24% lifesteal. Innate 2: Rathor passively gains 10% spell vamp. Rathor also gains an additional 5% spell vamp when hitting a champion with a spell. This can stack up to three times, for a total of 25% spell vamp. [spoiler=Additional Info]~ [b]If you have lifesteal stacks, you cannot gain spell vamp stacks!!![/b] ~ [b]If you have spell vamp stacks, you cannot gain lifesteal stacks!!![/b] ~ Lifesteal stacks last 4 seconds and disappear if you change targets. ~ Spell vamp stacks last 10 seconds. ~ You can only gain one spell vamp stack per spell cast. ~ May need to be replaced so he won't be immovable in lane, although mana costs make up for it.[/spoiler] No Mercy | Q Cost: 70 / 85 / 100 / 115 / 130 Cooldown: 11 / 11 / 10 / 10 / 9 Range: 850 Active: Rathor throws his axes at a point in an arc. Axes deal damage to all units hit. Damage (Single Axe): 50 / 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 (+45% total AD) Damage (Both Axes): 100 / 160 / 220 / 280 / 340 (+90% total AD) [spoiler=Additional Info]~ Physical damage. ~ Cooldown does not start until the axes return. ~ [b]You cannot attack or cast Carnage until the axes return!!![/b] ~ [b]Removes Carnage 'buff' when cast!!![/b] ~ The axes are thrown in an arc at the point you click on, and follow the path of the opposite axe back to you when reaching that point. ~ You can be damaged by both axes, but the axes can only damage you once each. ~ Probably too strong.[/spoiler] Relentless | W Cost: 35 mana Cooldown: 18 seconds Passive: Rathor gains bonus movespeed when hitting a champion with an attack or ability. Movespeed decays over time. Active: For seven seconds, Rathor's spells and attacks also slow champions hit. Slow decays over time. Passive Movespeed: 12% / 15% / 18% / 21% / 24% Buff Duration: 2.5 seconds Active Slow: 12% / 15% / 18% / 21% / 24% Slow Duration: 2.5 seconds [spoiler=Additional Info]~ Buff / slow decay at the same rate as Olaf's Undertow. ~ Probably need to rework this. ~ [b]When Relentless ends, he loses the passive bonus until it comes off cooldown!!![/b][/spoiler] Carnage | E Cost: 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 Cooldown: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14 Active: Rathor's next attack deals bonus damage and knocks the target back. If the target hits a wall or other solid object, they are stunned for 0.5 seconds. The cooldown of Carnage is reduced by 1 second on basic attack. Damage: 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 / 160 (+100% total AD) Knockback Distance: 325 [spoiler=Additional Info]~ Auto-attack reset. ~ 'Buff' duration is 8 seconds. ~ Does not go on cooldown until 'buff' is consumed.[/spoiler] Brutality | R Cost: 125 mana Cooldown: 180 seconds Passive: Rathor gains cooldown reduction and attack speed. This is disabled while on cooldown. Champion kills reduce the current cooldown by 50%. Active: Rathor gains a boost to cooldown reduction and attack speed while disabling the passive bonuses, and Rathor gains armor penetration. The duration is extended by 4 seconds on champion kill. Passive CDR: 5% / 10% / 15% Passive ASPD: 15% / 25% / 35% Active CDR: 10% / 20% / 30% Active ASPD: 40% / 55% / 70% Active APen: 15 / 35 / 45 Duration: 8 / 10 / 12 seconds [spoiler=Additional Info]~ 1 second channel. [b]Can be interrupted during the channel!!![/b] ~ Becomes 15% bigger for the duration.[/spoiler][/spoiler] Anyways, if you read this, please leave your thoughts, ideas, and criticism in the replies. :)[/quote]

[quote=rudyards]I appreciate the effort that went into this champion. The passive looked OP, but when I compared it to Nasus and to the gold value of it, I realized that (at the very least) the lifesteal part was reasonably balanced. Combined with his High mana costs, that seems reasonable. His Q has too short of a CD for the damage it deals, but otherwise it seems pretty reasonable. Reminds me of Beastmaster if you've ever played Dota. I'd suggest reducing his speed buff when his W is active or on CD because otherwise he's going to be next to impossiible to escape. I love Carnage. Thematically, it seems really cool. However, it seems counter intuitive. He's a melee champion who relies on auto attacking his foes down, knocking them back is a bad choice. Perhaps also add a mini-stun (.25 seconds or whatever) if they hit a wall, like Condemn? His R looks amazingly powerful, even with the channel. He gets a Last Whisper worth of Armor Pen, basically caps himself out on CDR, and the attack speed is pretty strong by steroid standards (not broken strong but respectable). Granted, that's at max level. At lower levels, it seems not really worth activating. Worth looking at a bit. Overall, I love this champion.[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][quote=rudyards] I appreciate the effort that went into this champion. The passive looked OP, but when I compared it to Nasus and to the gold value of it, I realized that (at the very least) the lifesteal part was reasonably balanced. Combined with his High mana costs, that seems reasonable. His Q has too short of a CD for the damage it deals, but otherwise it seems pretty reasonable. Reminds me of Beastmaster if you've ever played Dota. I'd suggest reducing his speed buff when his W is active or on CD because otherwise he's going to be next to impossiible to escape. I love Carnage. Thematically, it seems really cool. However, it seems counter intuitive. He's a melee champion who relies on auto attacking his foes down, knocking them back is a bad choice. Perhaps also add a mini-stun (.25 seconds or whatever) if they hit a wall, like Condemn? His R looks amazingly powerful, even with the channel. He gets a Last Whisper worth of Armor Pen, basically caps himself out on CDR, and the attack speed is pretty strong by steroid standards (not broken strong but respectable). Granted, that's at max level. At lower levels, it seems not really worth activating. Worth looking at a bit. Overall, I love this champion. [/quote] Glad you like the champion :D! And yes, No Mercy was based off Beastmaster's Wild Axes; I used to play Dota 2 all the time, and I just loved the skill. No Mercy: Yeah, I had a feeling it was way too strong for how spammable it was. I changed the cooldown to 11 / 10 / 9 / 8 / 7 seconds. Relentless: That seems like a good idea. I've added a line to the Additional Info; it states that the passive bonus is disabled until it comes back off cooldown after the active bonus expires. Carnage: Again, this makes sense. When I gave him Carnage, it was still with is original kit where he actually had a gapcloser; he would jump in on the enemy carry in teamfights, knock them away from their team, then beat them to death. Now that he has no gapcloser other than "I'm fast and you're slow", it doesn't work as well. I added a 0.5-second stun if they collide with a wall. Brutality: Again, I admit that it is probably way too weak early; weak enough that it doesn't make up for its power late-game. I've changed the active around a bit: the bonus CDR on activation is the same, but he instead gains 40% / 55% / 70% attack speed on activation, while still disabling his passive. I'm also changing the armor penetration to a flat 15 / 30 / 45 for now. There's my changes. Please tell me what you think! :)[/quote]

[quote=rudyards]The thing to keep in mind with No Mercy's CD is how easily Rathor hits 40 CDR because of his ult. I'd increase it to something to the tune of 10 at max rank. But if you want to avoid hurting his early game, you can just have non linear CD scaling, such as 12/12/11/11/10. Again, the rest of his abilities look pretty solid IMHO. In game, I might have other thoughts, but he sounds fairly balanced. Hopefully new eyes come soon and give a new perspective.[/quote]

[quote=drakon136]I kept No Mercy's cooldown low when maxed out because of his passive; chances are, his only CDR item would be a Brutalizer/Black Cleaver, giving him 25% CDR passively at level 16, or 40% when his ult is active. Problem is, if No Mercy's cooldown was at 10 seconds when maxed, this wouldn't be enough to keep his passive stacked. I'm debating whether or not I should just raise the duration of his spell vamp stacks, as well as the cooldown of No Mercy. Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=rudyards]I almost forgot about his spell vamp. I'd go with increasing the duration of the stacks rather than decreasing the CD of No Mercy. Does Relentless proc his SV or does only No Mercy?[/quote]

[quote=drakon136]Alright, raising the cooldown of No Mercy as well as the duration of his spell vamp stacks. And no, Relentless does not proc his spell vamp; I'm thinking of replacing it entirely with another offensive spell that would work well if you were building caster or carry. It's kinda tough to be a caster when your only damaging spell is on a 5.4 second cooldown with max CDR.[/quote]