Liandri and Void Staff on the same build

[quote=FalseoGod]Is this efficient in terms of combination? Does the pen from void staff make liandri irrelevant versus high MR comps? Is it just reliant on the enemy HP? Does it depend a lot more on the champ you're playing? (DoT heavy vs burster) Math peeps, halp.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]liandrys is best on champions who rely on dots and have movement effects built in. (especially if the dot also slows.) and yes, the penetration on void staff works with liandrys.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I think that Liandry's/Haunting guise's/Sorc Shoes' penetration applies [i]after[/i] void staff's. So, getting Void+Sorcs+HG is more overall damage.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]^yea, they switched so % apples before flat. however, Abyssal's MR reduction still applies before all...so getting that with Void is still not that great.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Yeah, it's just like getting [[The Black Cleaver]] and [[Last Whisper]] on an AD caster. It's a great combination because the lower their MR, the more damage you do both with your spells' base damage, and your spells' ratios combined with your total AP.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]well the thing is about black cleaver if you have max stacks, its reducing enemy armor by 25%, then the 35% penetration by last whisper, then the 10 pen from black cleaver. so last whisper has some diminished returns, as its only penetrating 35% of 75% of the enemies armor. which is about 26.25% if my math is right. then again, in total thats a little over 50% plus 10.[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]if you are going for the penetration build, dont finish lian, stick with haunting. lian isnt worth the upgrade cost on most champs untill its your last option. why opt for a weak debuff and a negligible amount of ap when you cd actually get some real stats ;) greez sam[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=caucheka] well the thing is about black cleaver if you have max stacks, its reducing enemy armor by 25%, then the 35% penetration by last whisper, then the 10 pen from black cleaver. so last whisper has some diminished returns, as its only penetrating 35% of 75% of the enemies armor. which is about 26.25% if my math is right. then again, in total thats a little over 50% plus 10. [/quote] I'm just talking about Black Cleaver's flat armor pen. :P[/quote]

[quote=Cliff Walrus]http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/diff-the-ender/23231-liandrys-torment-is-incredibly-strong I'll just leave this here.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] ^yea, they switched so % apples before flat. however, Abyssal's MR reduction still applies before all...so getting that with Void is still not that great. [/quote] Damn I've been doing it wrong on Annie[/quote]